Reply To: Why force feed?

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I was aware your lunacy was based on the presumption that the prisoner is a Jew (because there’s no chiyuv to save a goy from a rodeif, and I assume there’s also no chiyuv ??????? ???????). I didn’t point this out, because I was busy trying to explain why you’re an idiot, and giving answers which apply in only some situations isn’t categorized as idiocy.

You didn’t make yourself very clear.

I understood that to mean because it was a passive way of killing rather than an active murder.

Sorry for the ambiguity. I said so because “not eating” isn’t murder, not because it’s a passive murder.

R’ Chayyim disagrees on Tosafos’s case, saying that that isn’t murder and says that even Tosafos is of that opinion. what Tosafos means is ?? ?????? a case of passive murder, it wouldn’t be yeihareig v’al ya’avor. And R’ Chayyim doesn’t say that in his opinion it wouldn’t be murder at all.

As for the next point about natural process, here I think you could call me an idiot, if you’re not worried about Poe, whoever he is. My point was that eating is a way to sustain one’s self; not eating is merely refraining from sustaining himself, whereas killing, be it passively or actively, is the immediate cause of death.

Here’s the Chazon Ish. (It’s the 4th one.)

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Readable here: http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=39831&st=&pgnum=231&hilite=

[It’s not a perfect analogy, but it relates to Wolf’s logic.]

Joseph: You’re talking about what I said in regard to Sam 2’s lo sa’amod al dam rai’acha? My distinction was that giving someone food is enough to be considered that he isn’t standing idly by, watching his friend die. If the prisoner refuses the help, that’s his prerogative.