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Shloimies Shver wrote re halachic guidelines when the “short Shemoneh Esrei” (i.e. the Shatz says it before the tzibbur through kedusha) is permitted? What is common in workplaces, simchas, and some yeshivas where the shatz says the first 3 bearchas out loud and then everyone starts the ??”? seems to be a fairly recent innovation and is most probably discussed by contemporary poskim which I do not have at home.

Shver Leben you goofed big time!! You missed a Seif in Shulchan Aruch. You were refering to ????? ??? at Shachris. The abridged amida in Chayeh Adam is a ??? ???? no other Poskim mention it.

Ben Torah I assume is able to read the Mechaber in its original,

BTW I will let you in on a secret the Shulchan is very easily available.

???? ???? ????? ???? ???.?. ?? ???? ????? – ??????

????. ???? ?? ???? ???? ?????:’???’ ?-‘????’ ????? ????? ?????? “??? ?????”, ?? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????.???: ??? ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??. ??? ??????. ????? ???? ???? ??”? ???? ?.

???? ????? ???? ??? ???? ? ??? ??????? ????? ???, ???? ???? ??????, ?????? ??? ???? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ‘????’, ????? ?’ ??????? ???? ?? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?’ ????? ??? ?????? ?????, ???? ????? ???? ?????? ‘??? ?????’ ?????? ?????? ???????? ????, ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ‘??? ????’, ???? ??????? ??? ?? ???? ????? ‘???’ ??? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ????, ???? ????? ?? ????? ??”? (??? ??? ?????”?). ???? ?????”? ????? ???? ???? ??????? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ????, ???? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ???? ??????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ????, ??? ??? ?????? ????.

???? ??? ???? ? ????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ???????? ????? ???? ????? ‘???’, ??? ????????? ???? ??? ????? ??????, ?? ????? ??? ???? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ????? ‘???’, ?? ??? ???? ????? ????? ??”?, ??? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ‘???’, ??????? ?? ?????? ?????, ???? ???? ???? ??????. ???? ??? ???? ????? ??”?, ??? ??? ????? ????? ???? ?????, ?? ?? ????? ??????? ????? ???? ‘???’, ??? ????? ???? ??? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????

The consensus of poskim is That is to be done only in time of great need. Piskei Teshuvos brings from ???”? ?’ ?????? ????? ??”? that the practice in some Yeshivos to do a Short Mincha should be discouraged.