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EretzHaK
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1. I’m deeply disturbed that anyone here is accepting reports or saying that *any* wrongdoing took place in this case. This is *only* an investigation and the officers yesterday were only serving search warrants and taking documents to use in their investigation.

No one was arrested. No one.

2. Even if in the future (or any other cases) anyone is arrested, even the non-Jewish system recognizes everyone is innocent until and unless convicted and upheld on appeal. Furthermore, we are obligated to be dan l’kaf zechus and presume innocence.

3. Even if the non-Jewish system convicts anyone, we still are not permitted to accept or believe said conviction. The non-Jewish system accepts circumstantial and other types of evidence that is unacceptable in the Jewish system since the Torah considers such evidence weak and easily manipulable by those seeking a conviction for unjust reasons.

Additionally, the non-Jewish system convicts with much weaker proofs than the Torah permits a conviction based on.

4. Also, the punishments metered out by the non-Jewish system is excessive by Torah standards. Economic crimes in the Jewish system are punished with economic penalties, not jailings that are literally pikuach nefesh.

There is absolutely no justification that any Jew can support the jailing of their fellow Jew for something halacha doesn’t demand such an excessive punishment. You can look in the teshuvos seforim throughout the ages, including in Rav Moshe in the Igros Moshe in our own times, where they strongly rule it is forbidden to use the secular authorities criminal justice system since they convict based on proofs that are halachicly unacceptable as well as because they hand out punishments more severe than halacha permits even if guilty.

5. If your own flesh and blood brother or son committed a crime would you go around saying if he did the crime he must do the time? Would you be advocating your brother or son’s imprisonment? Of course not. You must treat and advocate for your fellow observant Jew no less than you would for your son or brother.