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Ben Levi
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Jfem,

1) This was what you wrote

“And to top it all off, the study was not peer-reviewed, as is standard, before being published. It’s no wonder Spitzer retracted”.

As I wrote that is a completely false statement.

2) Spitzer actually stated he was “skeptic” as to whether therapy can work or not and the study convinced him it can according to the Washington Post article on his study this was because 66 percent of men and 44 percent of women actually reported a change as a result of the study, ( For comparisons sake read Dr. Meir Wikler’s intro to 10 minutes a day to a better marriage, the best marital therapies can only claim a success rate of perhaps 50%)

Again the point of the study was not to ascertain what the correct therapy is, it was to ascertain whether it was possible,

3)You wrote “It didn’t test any specific therapy; it lumped together people who worked with licensed therapists with those who engaged in independent Bible study or other methods”.

Again the point was to discover whether change was possible not what the correct course was so Spitzer (one of the most experienced researchers in his field) designed a study that di not focus on the methods rather on the before and after.

4) “And it wasn’t just the therapists who had a political agenda, it was many of the participants themselves. And I’m sure you know very well the meaning of “anti-gay bias”.

I don’t know what you determine to be a political agenda, yes many of the participants were those who wished to attempt to change what they considered their sexual orientation to be and yes that is a big reason why his study was attacked.

You do realize that anyone who undergoes such therapies by definition must wish to change their orientation?

And you do realize that by disqualifying such individuals from a study you are stating that it is impossible to determine if therapy works?

5) Yes Dr. Zucker also a prof in Canada practiced such therapies because he believed they worked and actually has written that they have worked

So in other words all Doctors who practice such therapies, who have experienced success at such therapies are disqualified.

And surprise surprise there is no proof that they work!