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Randomex
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So, why can’t we reverse the stages of the shidduch process,

having people speed-date to select for compatible

personalities/”chemistry”, and only then doing research to

decide whether to pursue the shudduch with normal dating,

rendering the entire shidduch system more efficient?

Well, here’s why. Now, even if you personally disagree

with everything in the excerpt below, you must concede that

this is the accepted hashkafah in the community.

Excerpted from “The Kuntris” (Torah magazine)

Volume 1, Issue 13 February/Adar Aleph 2014:

“The Da’as Torah Files – The Shidduch Disaster”

(The piece begins on page 40 – excerpt is from pg. 44-45.

The writer is Nosson Sternbach, but he notes that the ideas

originate from the Shabbos table of Rabbi Gershon Ribner.)

A Googling of R’ Gershon revealed that he is a talmid of

Rav Aaron Shechter of Chaim Berlin, an eidem of Rav

Schneur Kotler ztz”l, and Rosh Yeshiva of Nesivos

HaTorah (on Staten Island).

The premise of the article: A boy arrives for a shidduch,

and the father realizes that all his information was about

another boy (with the same name). What should he do?

Answer: Inform him of the mistake and send him off

(politely, delicately and with sympathy, of course).

Short version: It is not tzniusdig

for a boy and girl to meet without some level of

expectation that this can lead to marriage.

Speed-dating will definitely involve meeting

numerous people of the opposite gender who are not

compatible with you and is therefore unacceptable.

Also, a positive first impression may override research

for those personally involved - the boy and girl.

“The fundamental difference between dating in the Torah

community and the rest of the world is our insistence that

all matches must be set up through a system of referrals,

aka a shadchan. Secular culture feels that there is nothing

wrong with a boy and girl meeting on their own to determine

their compatibility; in fact such intermingling is encouraged.

Many fences have been built by the Torah world to separate

us from that depraved culture. One of those fences is the

absolute insistence on a shadchan.

[O]ne must understand the Torah’s perspective on dating.

Any contact with the opposite gender is considered a

“danger zone.” However, in the context of searching for

one’s zivug, such meetings are encouraged and considered

a holy act.

Note: I think I should "call 'shortzoah' " here.

This is pretty obviously not found in any classic

sources, which date from the period - namely, until recent

times - when young people did not meet to "determine their

compatibility" for marriage AT ALL. Talk about it later?

Yet, there is a fine line between “kosher” dating and

immoral mingling.

In America we are so immersed in pritzus

that it is hard to appreciate any form of sensitivity in

this matter. Our barometer of what is and is not

tznius is so corrupted that any attempt

at introducing an element of modesty in our community

is viewed as extreme and abnormal.

In the Torah world, boys and girls do not meet haphazardly

and arbitrarily in the hopes that two people might “click”.

Rather, we set up a system of referrals to ensure that if two

people meet, there is a reasonable chance that this shidduch

is appropriate. Only in such a context do we encourage the

opposite genders to interact with one another.

It is a scientifically proven fact that we form most of our

judgments of a person during the first few interactions

that we have with them. Somebody with an engaging

and charming personality can easily distort their date’s

judgment of them. All later research […] will be swept

aside and only the positive qualities will be remembered.”

Note: This is about the scenario of a

full date with a random person, not a speed-dating

encounter. That might make a difference.

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That’s that. Additionally, I’m sure many would say

that people would not be given enough of a chance

by such a system, and would be rejected too quickly.

Additionally, people would not be motivated to travel

long distances just to speed-date, so if the entire system

changed, many shidduchim would be pre-empted.