Avram 1/2
“Ah, now the goalposts are moving”
No goal posts are moving. I am saying one simple straight forward statement namely “Es taryag mitzvos shomarti” and the Gemara that says that the Avos kept “kol Hatorah kulo” does not they literately kept every mitzvah.
That is all I am saying.
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“I understood your original statement to be that you are bothered by people who believe the Avos somehow literally kept all 613 mitzvos,”
Yes (though Im not really bothered, I find it amusing/curious I was turning a phrase by DY when I said “bothered”)
“a feat that is technically impossible for a single individual to do, in any historical period, since certain mitzvos are dependent on identity, place, and time (e.g., an individual cannot both offer the pesach and pesach sheini). ”
Yes that is part of what makes it impossible.
“This is a very strange notion, ”
It is a strange notion. Which is why I find it amusing/curious.
“. That notion, however, is quite different from an argument that the Avos kept the mitzvos the way we do today, or rather, the way our forefathers did in the days when the Beis Hamikdash was standing. If you want to switch your argument to that, then fine, we agree.”
Im sorry I dont understand this paragraph. Here is my notion again: “Es taryag mitzvos shomarti” and the Gemara that says that the Avos kept “kol Hatorah kulo” does not they literately kept every mitzvah.”
This inst literal for several reasons 1) as mentioned nobody can keep al mitzvos
2) Some mitzvos never happened accoring to Man deamor (ben soreh umoreh ir hanidachos)
3) some are tied to a specific time
4) Some are in specifi instances like Get
5) Some arent logical that they kept like writing as efer Torah
etc etc
But this is a side point. My main point is “Es taryag mitzvos shomarti” and the Gemara that says that the Avos kept “kol Hatorah kulo” does not they literately kept every mitzvah.”