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Avram in MD
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dovrosenbaum,

There’s a deep attitude in society that’s entering our communities that men are incompetent, men are stupid

Yes, this is true, and very dangerous, for men, women, and children.

It’s ok to degrade men in ways that society would never tolerate with the treatment of women.

That’s a ridiculous statement. You just don’t notice the degradation of women in “society”.

Men are being decimated by this society, and we can thank women’s lib.

Not sure you were intending to use the word decimated here… and I don’t think you can wrap this neatly in a box and blame women’s lib.

They’re stuck in the 50s, and that’s a great thing.

The stereotypical 1950s culture you yearn for, despite being considered “traditional” in ignorant 2017, was actually not traditional at all. Men were not traditionally cut off from their wives and children for long stretches of each day due to long commutes to work; frequently leaving before their kids woke up, and coming home close to bedtime. This disconnect between men and their families, which expanded in the 1950s along with the huge migration to the suburbs, created the underpinning conditions that led to the stereotype of the clueless father. No, the healthy traditional lifestyle is where men worked close to home, and the kids could easily move about between mother and father, learning from and interacting with both. Men could step in and help in the house and women could help their husbands in the field or store when needed.

They learn to the point and don’t waste their time with mental gymnastics in the kollelim.

Calling Torah learning “mental gymnastics” is insulting.