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CS: “Rso it seems you are forgetting what the whole problem with demand was and that’s why you’re showing every source to be anything other than the word demand…

So please list whatever source you have that states why its not a good thing to demand or request strongly for moshiach that isn’t addressed by the context / sources brought.”

You are deliberately evading the issue. Did you or did you not address the following post to me: “Regarding demanding / using strong language with Hashem:
1) lama nigara 2) ad mosai in tehillim and kinos 3) kol ma sheomer lecha habaal habayis asei chutz mitzei 4) davening for others vs oneself – Moshe micheini na, Rochel Imeinu – is Your Mercy less than mine? 5) chofetz chaim (you found)”

So I showed you clearly how the first four ARE NOT DEMANDS. True or not? Now you say I’m not addressing why demanding is wrong. True. I ADDRESSED WHAT YOU ASKED ME TO ADDRESS!

Let’s say I address why demanding is wrong. You will probably then ask me why I didn’t address something else.

Do me (and I believe Neville and others) one BIG favor. Answer the following question: Did I successfully prove that the first four of your sources are not demands and CANNOT be translated as demands?

If you refuse to answer that you prove what others have said about you: that you don’t care about anything other than pushing the Lubvich line. Fine with me, but don’t try to obfuscate.

Now I’m waiting for an answer…

And in reply to your incessant claim that I can’t argue with your rebbe’s interpretation because he is a tzaddik and had ruach hakodesh: Years ago I used to believe that, at least to some extent, but I now longer do. And the only reason I no longer believe it is because of my myriad interactions with lubavicher chassidim on all levels of the lubavich spectrum, from gezha (I’ll let others explain that) to baalabatim, from mashpi’im to chabad house owners, from learners to bums. The sources they have cited, the arguments they have made, the proofs that they have brought, and their belief that achdus means that everyone has to be like Lubavich has shown me that the fault comes from the top. Your posts have also certainly not added to my appreciation of Lubavich haskafah.

I therefore, in my own (obviously warped) opinion, have as much right to argue with the lubavicher rebbe and to disagree with his piskei-halacha/interpretations/hashkafah as you and anyone else have in doing the same with regards to Rav Shach or anyone else you don’t consider a tzaddik.

And after having touched upon the lubavich view of achdus, I would like to hear your reply to what I wrote above in an earlier post. Why have I been told literally tens of times that I should be learning chassidus chabad, Chitas and Rambam, with none of my reasons for not doing so accepted, yet when I suggest that a lubavicher learn daf yomi the idea is disparaged because “in Lubavich we don’t hold of it”? Yes, I know there are many lubavichers who learn daf yomi, but the limud is considered non-chassidish by the major mashpi’im.

You also haven’t answered why lubavich did not participate in the major Citi Field gathering to warn of the dangers of the internet, and why so so (not a typo) many lubavichers do not “believe” in having a filter on their computers or phones.

Again, I challenge you to answer all my points above DIRECTLY and not to obfuscate and dissemble.