Reply To: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us!

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“How is this not getting through to you? You really expect us to believe you met significant amounts of Satmars and none of them learned Divrei Yoel? I might believe that you THINK that, but I don’t believe it’s actually true.”

You forget im a woman. Sure the men may learn or not, I don’t know, but the women have no clue about their own chassidus, what R Yoel or the Noam Elimelech say, and don’t just blame that on their shitta not to learn inside texts. The Rebbe’s mother, Rebbetzin Chana, never went to school but she knew allot from hearing what was spoken about at home (her father was a Rav and she constantly heard shaalos etc.)

“As far as “viewing their Rebbe like you do,” yeah… as we’ve said, the rest of the frum velt poskens that the way you view your Rebbe is kefira, so you’ll have trouble finding that. Were you under the impression that all Chassidim believe their Rebbe to be moshiach?”

Firstly I wasn’t necessarily referring to the moshiach bit but simply the esteem due a tzadik. But happens to be in 1940 the Satmar had no problem welcoming their Rebbe with the title of moshiach. It used to be much more common. And in fact, the chassidish people I spoke to told me outright that they used to think of their Rebbeim as tzaddikim, but not today although they respect them as talmidei chachamim.

Me: “Here you find many regular yidden whose “hisnagdus” is mostly due to ignorance (of classic sources on moshiach and Geula, of the Halachos on how to treat a Rebbe etc etc)”

You “Did you think this was a private message to TT that the rest of us couldn’t see? Or did you just think we would be totally fine with your assertion that we’re totally ignorant of the halachah and need Chabad to educate us? Are we on crazy pills or something? The world is not a secular college campus! There are frum people that know stuff.”

Well the two examples I gave in my comment came from real things on this thread and the first (if you really want me to I can spell it out.) I wish people were more educated on what Geula and moshiach is or isn’t, what Chabad mean when they say x or y, etc. It would lead to allot more mutual understanding (even if lack of agreement) instead of misunderstandings and outright ignorance.