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the classic mussar seforim, and therefore the shmuesn in Litvishe yeshivos, don’t focus on reward and punishment.

Which was my point. You don’t focus on reward and punishment for various reasons, and neither do we. You believe in reward and punishment, and so do we. It unfortunately doesn’t stop you completely from sinning, and unfortunately it doesn’t stop us.

The thing is like this. I, unfortunately, am not a “Beinoni who Davens all day”. Some Mitzvos I keep because of Mitzvos Anashim Melumada, some I keep because of communal pressure, sometimes I do have to pull out the Gehenom card (The Rebbe Rashab did say that it’s better to not sin from fear of punishment than to sin). And unfortunately, sometimes, well, ???? ??? ?????? ?????.

The thing that Chassidus (at least Chabad. I’m not fluent enough in the other Seforim well enough to comment on their Hashkafas) does say, is that:

1. ???????? ?? ?”? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ???? ????”? ???? ??? ?? ?? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ???? ????? ?”? ??? ?’ ????? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ??”? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ??? ??? ?? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ???”? ??? ????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?? ?????? ?’ ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ?’ ????? ????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ?”? ????? ?’ ???? ????? ?? ????? ????? ??”? ???? ???? ??? ?? ?? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ?? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? ??? ??? ??? ??????? ???????? ???? ????? ???”? ????.

(Tanya Perek 15)

2. ?????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???, ???? ???? ???? ?? ?????, ??? ??? ?????: “???? ????? ???? ???? ????? ??????”. ?????, ???? ???? ?????? ???????, ??????? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ?’ ???????, ????? ???? ???? ???. ?? ???? ??? ?? ???? ??? ???????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ?? ????, ??????? ????? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ???????? ??? ?? ?? ????. ?? ??? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?????, ??? ?? ?? ????? ?? ??? ????, ?? ?? ???? ????? ???? ????? ????, ?????? ????? ???, ??? ????? ????????? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ??? ?? ?? ????. ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?????, ???? ?????? ??? ?? ?????, ??? ?????? ????.

(Tanya Perek 39)

But yes, I agree with rso’s Rabbi to some degree. There are people take a quote (“I don’t want your Gan Eden and I don’t want Your Olam Habah. I just want You Yourself”) that takes years and years of hard Avodah to be able to say with truth, don’t do the required Avodah, and yet repeat it like it’s just basics. But there are people that (I think) actually do experience this feeling (at least once in a while 🙂 ).