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“By stating that because it’s simple and obvious to you, therefore it can’t be otherwise”
I never said that. I said simple and obvious to all of us.
I f you would have said , you know I dont think rape is so bad you are making a big deal out of nothiing” we wouldnt be having this conversation.
You agree rape is bad (in some posts) but not as bad as stealing
This is what is confusing me How do you know rape is bad, leshitascha you need a source. and if you posit that it can be bad without a source why is it it “western thinking” to say it is worse than stealing
“A persons body is their possession”
Source please ( I dont disagree, I just cant think of an explicit source for this)
“Not sure where you got that conclusion from.
I’d be saying that the fact that he is pattur is indicative of the lessening of severity and I’d ask why just like they do”
Noooooo! I thought you got it. No one that I have seen asks why is killing lal children less of an averia than killing one . not a one, you are making this up. I’m open to be proven wrong o f course . if you could provide ONE such example . but the question yo uare attributing to them is absurd as is your position.
They DO ask why does the more severe act get less of a punishment, much liek I asked the same regarding rape. But nobody that I have seen even contemplates as a hava amina that killing all children is a better act
“As I said, the ראשונים can say that. I and you can’t.
You can ask anything you want ”
Yes! nailed it! So they were allowed to think and we are not. I ve heard this before it is EXACTLY what I was refferign to . A lack of critical thinking.
You are 100% entitl;ed to your position. We cant think for ourselves and without an explicit source tellign us rape is bad we cant know its bad (luckily you claim to have found a source rape is bad based on yusing guf, but if not you wouldnt know rape is bad, correct?)
but be clear on thsi point. You do not beleive we can think for ourselves. Everything needs a source, if not for a gemara telling us thorns are prickly we wouldnt know it. If not for a source telling us Rape is bad or worse than stealing we wouldn’t know it.
I can live with this position of yours. but be clear and bold dont be wishy washy