“odt propogated idea”
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““today you are to me a nation” was said in the midbar, not eretz yisroel.”
Yay, I always wondered about that too, we weren’t a nation in Mitzrayim? That doesn’t fit will with the pesukim in shemos, just for example:
וַיֹּ֤אמֶר יְהֹוָה֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה בֹּ֖א אֶל־פַּרְעֹ֑ה וְדִבַּרְתָּ֣ אֵלָ֗יו כֹּֽה־אָמַ֤ר יְהֹוָה֙ אֱלֹהֵ֣י הָֽעִבְרִ֔ים שַׁלַּ֥ח אֶת־עַמִּ֖י וְיַֽעַבְדֻֽנִי:
Who’s עַמִּ֖י if Klal Yisrael is not a nation yet?
“One who does not keep the torah is treated as a non-jew. ”
Crucial point is that he is considered a non-Jew for certain halachos, but is still Jewish.
“None of that has to do with land/culture/language/ancestry, because you can be a jew in spain speaking Spanish, wearing spanish jewish garb, eating Mediterranean cuisine, and be born non-jewish but converted, and you’re 100% as jewish as a ben acher ben of dovid hamelech.”
Theoretically, if you took away the Torah you would still have people identifying as Jewish and feeling a connection to a “Jewish nation”. I’m not saying that is the Torah’s definition of the Jewish nation but sometimes I hear anti-Zionists say that there would be no Jewish nation at all without the Torah even in a secular and cultural way. That is ridiculous.