Reply To: Daas Torah in gemora

Gedol,
on chulin – hope you realize how modernishe your argument is. So, R Yehuda’s DT is not same as ours. How about chesed? shabbos? At minimum, we would need a good source to claim that we can easily reject R Yehuda and inject new meaning into it. Any glosses from the Gaon saying “my DT is different”?
But I agree that this is a secondary argument just showing shifting positions.

As to R’ Yohanan, again, they are way more polite than we are and not saying offensive thing to each other’s face (clearly, from silence of RZ). The way I see it – under some of modern views of DT , R’Y’s suggestion should be binding. So, ideally, RZ should come on his own to RY and say, I am looking for shidduch, I don’t trust yichus of Israelis, should I marry a daughter of another student from Bavel or should I go back home? RY would tell him that his concerns about yichus are misplaced and I have perfect shidduch for you, I checked the yichus myself when I was getting married.. Under more extreme versions of DT, RY would not even explain the halocha but say – don’t worry, my daughter is the best for you. Trust me, this is min hashamayim, and you can also inherit the yeshiva.

This is clearly not happening.

According to your reading of RY words, he is not even raising his DT rights. According to my reading, he is raising it in a polite indirect way, and supports it by (invalid) halachik argument, and RZ reject it out of hand. In both cases, (lack of) outrage from meforshim is the issue. But maybe I am just not looking at the right places.