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Yankel Berel, that’s a perfect map of the Shitos.

Satmar agrees to 4. Typical mainstream Frum approach is 3, as quoted from the קריינא דאיגרתא and as is evident from the actions of Aguda. I subscribe to 2.

And the main campaign against the groups were, as Avira referred to, because of their Apikursus. And that’s something of the past.

Something brought up sometimes — although not mentioned yet on this thread — is the argument: If the new state is such a great thing, how can it be that HKBH established it through sinners and heretics? This is indeed puzzling. Most people just shrug it off with בהדי כבשא דרחמנא. And surely you cannot form a דעה on a קשיא. Then there’s the ציץ אליעזר who says that it was done purposely this way to show that it came from above and not through religious yearning.

Or, like most good things on this planet, they come from anyone as long as it’s not of religious content. In other words, if you think of the state as someone holy, you have a קשיא. If it is totally secular, and part of a bigger plan, no קשיא.