Having a rational conversation with someone who rejects metzius for magic is pointless. They believe that mystical forces protect them and give kochos in ways we cant understand and the only way to release those kochos is going to Uman. It is their tefilos on RH in Uman that is actually saving the lives of the soldiers in Gaza and will bring moshiach. How can one argue with people that are so confident in their beliefs? It’s probably better to focus on the 90% of hashkafa we share than the 10% that is clear to them but a mystery to us.
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