This seems to be a two-way debate between joseph and myself, ref. zionsim. Actually, I am pleased that it is ,indeed, a civil discussion.
Whether anyone would call themselves zionists or not is truly irrelevant today. The great majority of Chareidim in Ertezt Yisroel today participate in the “medinah’ politically and financially. They built towns everywhwere, they are amongst the most conservative people as far as compromising on the land, and, SHCOK!, mnay even go to the army! (especially the chassidim). They never call the medinah evil and they certainly never say that Eretz Yisroel would be better under Arab rule, chas vesholom.
A very small minority may still talk the old way but, as is normal in history,they vast majority has accepted ‘medinat Israel” de facto and many have done this ‘de jure’.
On a personal level, I ascribe to the miracle of Eretz Yisroel theological perspectives, and many of the chareidim do too. I consider them all crypto-zionists, because, as time goes on, they will become more and more a part of the fabric of the medinah. In mnay ways, they alreadyare !
YOu, and some others, disagree. This is your right but I suggest you go to Eretz Yisroel and speak to some of these rabbonim. You might get a different perspective.