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Pashuteh Yid
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Itzik, you and many of your type are utterly confused. On one hand you claim we should have thrown out the tzorerim, meaning you believe the state should be running the land of Israel (even with a heavy hand), on the other hand you believe it is illegitimate and should be dismantled, and certainly never should have been founded. This is certainly a schizophrenic argument.

As far as making a million Jews non-frum, note that the Zionist movement started in Europe, and the leaders were already non-frum long before the state existed. What does that say about the chinuch system of that time in Europe? The haskalah and the reform emerged long before. (I personally believe that it was because there was not enough ahavas yisroel among the various groups even back then, which caused people to go off the derech.)

Gavra, of course nobody is saying we should strive to be secular, what we are saying is that we will be maalin bakodesh as we bring back more and more of our lost brethren to Torah and Mitzvos with ahavah gemurah. The way to start is to stop knocking the secular, and to befriend them and give them a yasher koach for what they have done.