Reply To: Makeup for 3-day Yom Tov

mw13:

“Whoa. I’m not blaming women “for the evils of the world”: the Churban happened for a number reasons, caused by all different people. I was trying to point out that if one of those causes was women using too much cosmetics, it certainly shows that this should not be taken lightly.”

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Why would you point that out here? A thread by someone who obviously cares about halacha? If anything was being taken lightly, it was [insert posters] who were taking our need for cosmetics lightly, ignoring the question and implying how we wear too much and are causing a churban.

“As I said before, nobody got off easy in this world.”

And I agree with you. We all have our peckl. But there is a place and time for everything, and this thread was not it.

“I disagree. I think this whole “mind your own business” attitude is solely from the western culture, and foreign to Yiddishkeit. And besides, it may be enlightening to hear about things we struggle with from people without negius on the subject.”

I’m not telling you to mind your own business. But what happened here was not constructive at all. Bringing up the issue of the churban when we are trying to serve Hashem b’simcha, takes away our simcha shel mitzva, our joy in doing the right thing, even though it’s not easy to sleep on our back or do many of the things suggested, we do it in order to serve Hashem. Believe me, a woman who will not put on makeup on a three-day yom tov, is not wearing makeup just to look good – she’s wearing it because she needs it.

“First of all, nobody ever said wearing “tzanua and tasteful makeup is what’s preventing the geulah”. That was specifically said about excessive makeup.

Second, what’s inappropriate about saying “the males on this site… their spending time in the coffee room (both irl and here) is preventing Moshiach from coming” (assuming you can prove it)? The truth is the truth, no matter who’s mouth it comes from. “

You just don’t see why what you’re doing is wrong, that you are claiming women are responsible for the churban, do you. We do not claim that you are even though you are inappropriately criticizing a nonexistent event in a thread that was started to enable us to follow halacha. Kabel et ha’emet mimi she’amro – work on your bain adam lachaveiro and don’t jump at every chance to blame others.

Women generally don’t like to openly criticize others which I think is making it hard to communicate here. I wish that chazal hadn’t been mentioned – it just caused bad feelings and made many women feel that no matter what they do, it is not good enough. I don’t have a gemarakup and don’t know how to explain to you why what happened here showed a major problem in our society, but please try to understand why so many girls who post here, are saying essentially the same thing and have the same feelings.