24K for utilities = 2K monthly. Family of 6, heat, air-conditioning, gas + maintaining these (boiler, etc.).
4K for phones = $333/mth. Family of 6, kids usually have cel phones nowadays, parents have cels (need at least 2 plans with add-ons) + landline
These are reasonable estimates.
My point was that these are CRAZY numbers. And I don’t understand how people are doing it…