DY, once again you jumped to conclusions and thought you knew what I was thinking and what I meant rather than what I said. I was speaking about the topic in THIS thread and you were referring to a topic that I discussed in another thread. I thought you agreed not to do that. At any rate, that is another discussion altogether and I had no intention of kidnapping this thread and taking it there.
Sorry yitzchokm, I still disagree with you and prefer to agree with Rav Pam’s way of thinking. Teach the child and he will teach the parents. I have a much more positive perspective and I know, from my experience that keeping a positive approach to children will yield positive results.