Thanks for joining us in the CR.
Ok, I will spell it out as best I can, although I was not aware that this is contentious.
A. We will start with the premise, that the IDF responds often with less force than necessary and proper under the circumstances. And that the reason for that is we are afraid of making the world too mad at us, and alienating the few friends we have left- particularly the USA.
Our example throughout this will be when we boarded the ship, the Mavi Marmara, which was bringing presumed weapons to Gaza.
B. We will then make the simple step of assuming, that IDF soldiers are often injured or killed during these operations, in ways they would not have been if proper force had been used.
So in our example, we will say that had the ship been torpedoed, as is proper for an invading vessel, the IDF soldier who was thrown off the deck and fell several stories, would not have been hurt.
C. We will then say, that our civilians are also often hurt as a result of this, since the military operations cannot be as effective.
In our example, we will say that if subsequent boats succeed in bringing rockets or explosives in, it may be because we are not willing to torpedo them. This is not a great example, since the Mavi Marmara incident was actually successful in stopping that boat.
D. We will assume that public demonstrations, lobbying, and press, affect public opinion. This is presumably why people make these demonstrations.
There were much bad press about the Mavi Marmara, with all sorts of anti semites and NK reshaim accusing us of using “disproportionate force”. As if one is supposed to use force only proportionate to the people trying to kill you.
E. We will assume that governments represent their citizens interests. We can see that governments act in the interests of their citizens, and -for example- if the French people are opposed to us, their government will represent them in that. Thus, we should assume that demonstrations, lobbying, and press influence public opinion, which in turn influence government action.
(alternatively, we can imagine that demonstrations merely serve to convince governments of what public opinion is, but the effect is the same.)
Many world governments singled us out for criticism in the aftermath of this incident, and it will probably negatively affect how we are able to respond to future incidents. Additionally, it hurt our relationship with Turkey, which may not have happened if the rest of the world didn’t agree with the reshaim of NK.
Therefore, we can easily say, that bad PR, leads to dangerous and ineffective military action, which leads to lives lost.
The reshaim of NK are among the criticizers of the Mavi Marmara incident, which cannot be criticized with a straight face if one has the slightest inkling of what happened on that boat. I found the reshaim’s protests on their website.
Now, your colleague “Peacemaker” seems to not care about what happens to Jewish people who agree with the “zionists”. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/104434/Turkey-Releases-Names-Of-IDF-Members-Involved-In-Flotilla.html But excuse me if I do care.
If you disagree with this, please specify which step. Please do not litter your response with the issue of whether we are safer with the christians or moslems. That really is not the issue. You can put that in another post.