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“A good portion of the bloodshed lies squarely on the hands of the Tzionim. They Raitzed on the Goyim by making a Medina -thereby increasing their hatred and subsequently their violence ten-fold!”

I second that – as applied to the old-day tzionim. The modern-day leaders of the State of Israel are not the same. They’re bad, evil and all that – but they’re not comparable to Weizmann, Ben Gurion etc.

Nowadays the real Tzionim we must fight against are the fringe Dati Leumi ones who seek to enflame the entire world by going on Har HaBayis and destroying the Islamic sites there. Those who want to build the 3rd beis hamikdosh with their own hands. Those who loudly shout from the rooftops that the Arabs should be thrown out of all of E”Y (incl Yehuda/Shomron). These people, the “Machon HaMikdash” type, the “Kahane” type, the “State of Judea” clan – they are the real Tzionim.

There is no point in fighting the state – it exists and won’t disappear. (Which doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t speak out loud and clear when the medinah commits acts that endanger Jews throughout the world.)

But the real danger nowadays lies in those who have completely distorted our beliefs, those for whom “love of the land” has become a militaristic obsession with territory that outranks anything else (such as Shabbos) – remember the settler ‘rabbis’ permitting people to use their phones on Shabbos to warn each other of IDF/Magav approaching to demolish outposts?

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