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tahini
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All my sons serve (or served) in the Israel armed forces, and they have different religious identities, from dati leumi to yeshivish. The rabbi amongst them has noted the shock amongst his yeshivish peers that he served in the IDF, no he did not violate Shabbat or kol isha, he was respected and treated properly, he has not met anyone forced to violate mitzvot personally. Yes mistakes have been made by some army commanders but as a mother I could not support my sons living/learn Torah in Erez Yisrael without seeing them do their duty. They have done military service and learnt Torah, together!!!!!!

Stop outdated parallels with Tzarist Russia, take a chumash out, listen to the words of the Torah, note the halachot for army conduct and service.

Recently I read on the CR a post where it stated charedi jews are pacifists, really???!!! The post concerned fighting for the USA during the 1940s, guess what some posters actually suggested it was ok to avoid the draft and not seek to serve as it went against Jewish belief. If people with the benefit of hindsight would avoid the US draft in the war against Hitler and can still consider themselves Jewish I am disgusted and repulsed.

We have always had to fight to protect ourselves, read the Torah and understand what communal duty means. Some rabbonim tell their yeshiva bachurim do not fight well plenty of rabbonim disagree with each other, the world of rabbonim is filled with politics as much as anywhere else. Different groups are dominated not just by Torah but politics too.

Each person has to live with their own conscience, if people do not wish to serve fine, leave the land and leave your responsibilities. Staying with us now we have some wounded IDF veterans, yes they are shomer shabbos but above all they are full of dignity, I am so ashamed to read the continual slander of decent honourable men by those kept safe and sound.