yeshivishsocrates -“Your supercilious and sanctimonious attitude is so inordinately offensive im surprised that any of your posts are not deleted. I keep stressing this and you persevere, this is not personal, i dont know you at all so i have no reason to be arguing on any plane other than the intellectual one. For some odd reason, you persist with your insecure denigration.”
I persist; but it doesn’t have anything to do with insecurity.
I just don’t like pseudo-intelligence. You have presented an argument based on a utopian world. Your gist is basically – “It’s the woman’s responsibilty to stop this.”
You have not even brought one real account/example where this has worked even one time, but you keep insisting that you are right.
If you want even a little bit of credence that anything you post is even remotely logical -how about bringining some proof?
“The fact that someone you know succeeded with an ultimatum is likely to be in spite of the fact that an ultimatum and probably not because of. Ultimatums are horrible ideas within relationships and promote division – not unity.”
You missed my point -an ultimatum isn’t the first thing you try, but if all else has failed, sometimes an ultimatum will work.
Ignoring his behavior, even not from a Frum point of view, is the worse thing for the marriage.