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Breslever -“Mechitza is a Halacha LeMoshe MiSinai, how can you suggest it isn’t needed?

Regardless, were they free to put them up?”

The Minhag or tradition was that women didn’t go. It wasn’t the tourist attraction it is now. We didn’t need to make a Medina, against Hashem’s will, to make all the Mekomos Hakedoshim into tourist attractions!

“According to the Turkish firman, they were not permitted to bring seforim to the Kotel. Whether that firman was actually enforced or not, I don’t know nor do I care. One does not need to have any knowledge of history to know of the antagonism of the arabs toward Yidden.

Also, you have again dodged the point. Were we free? Would we all have been allowed to fulfill the mitzvah of living in Eretz Yisrael?”

During the time of Turkey’s rule there wasn’t the desire by many Jews to live there. The Freye only decided to live there when Zionism picked up. After the second WW -Jews tried to move anywhere they could.

“The zionists have free will, but if you are implying that the formation of and existence of the medinah along with the Yidden who move to and live in Eretz Yisrael is not His razon, then you are denying the fundamental principal that everything comes from Hashem.”

No, it’s not! We have free will to do what we want whether it’s good or bad. This is a fundamental principLE (not s/o in charge of schools.) which is called “Bechira” in Judaism. How come you never heard of this?

“In that case, there’s no point continuing this discussion as it seems your lack of emunah stems from the fact you simply don’t want to believe.”

No, I don’t believe in Zionism or the State. It’s Ossur right now acc. to almost e/o to have a State based on Kefira. The only question amongst the Gedolim is what to do about it now that it’s here. Except for a very few e/o held you’re not allowed to make such a Medina!