@DY I can only tell you what i see and hear, and think of it from their perspective especially if they are used to being heavy internet users for their jobs or even recreationally, people are being asked to give up something that to them is a way of life and dont tell me there arent sacrifices – rabbonim are responsible for making their message clear to people – my rosh yeshiva is always extremely careful with that and i have great respect for him because of that. yes there have always been laitzonim and there always will be but when you start losing the average person thats when you know youre in trouble. based on speeches i have personally heard and have heard recordings and reports of, there are “certain” (not most) rabbonim who are being careless (i hope – dan lcaf zchus) and these rabbonim in my opinion are causing this. when we take all of the kannaus out of things and have an adult discussion most people are of the same view and have similar concerns once they are made aware of all of the problems. anyone with children would have to be blind not to. the key is to not turn these people off to not tell them they are ovrei and misayea ovrei averia and worse, people have to use seichel when words come out of their mouth. yes you are right the emunas chachomim issues stemmed from things that happened before the asifa but the asifa did not help things in that regard. you can call me whatever names you want but it doesnt change the facts on the ground. we have to be clear to everyone that we are all on the same side.
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