“Teaching starts before the kids lose control, but afterwards the State steps in. My kids would never act like this to require such punishment!
If your kids do -then s/o has to teach them and this is what this Judge did.”
So now you are saying the judge WAS in fact teaching HER personally to have respect.
But you then agreed with apushatayid who said: “The judge is not responsible to teach the girl respect.”
Respectfully, please realize your logical inaccuracy.
“but afterwards the State steps in.” You make this statement as if it is chok and mishpat. My point is that it is not chok and mishpat.
In fact, a major posek in eretz yisroel Rov Yitzchak Berkowitz tells us it is assur for a Jew to take another Jew to a secular court or have another Jew sent to jail unless there is a real threat of future serious danger. Even then there is a warning required and only if no beis din can handle it. It is not mutar to take “revenge” on someone by bringing them to a secular court if they are no longer a danger. This applies to non-Jews as well if you know they will be hurt or tortured in immoral and unjust courts. You cannot cause harm to another human being in this way.
The secular court system has no inherent legal authority. It has force- simple as that. If someone, Jew or Gentile, respects that system it is up to them. I see no reason why it would be IMMORAL to show a lack of respect to a court system that took away your liberty when you felt they did not have a right to take away that liberty. Do I believe the court system is often corrupt- yes, I do based on my intimate knowledge of it. Do I think what that judge did was immoral? Yes I do.
Health: We live in a Dor of “Chutzpa Yasgi” even with Yidden -the Judge taught a lesson”
Excuse me but you were clearly saying the issue is a derech eretz problem in our society.
Therefore, this statement “The judge is not responsible to teach the girl respect. Her parents are. His job is to preserve the dignity and decorum of the courtroom.” in response to my statement “”You think what the judge did causes sincere respect?” is illogical.
apushatayid: “Please correct me if I misunderstand you.”
I am not going to continue a dialog with you because you accused me on being high on Xanax which shows a lack of basic derech eretz. If someone is rude- all you have to do is ignore them. I don’t know how old you are and I don’t know what yeshiva you go to or if you even attend a yeshiva. But I would bet if you did you would never say a comment like that to someone if people knew who you were behind that computer screen.