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HaKatan
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Just Emes:

Regarding the Holocaust and Zionists having allegedly done good things:

Your “ain lomar”, the argument that the Jews would have been okay without a State and would have been better off without Zionism and its “favors”, is the most historically sound and also halachicly convincing possibility, provided you understand just how antithetical to Torah is, lihavdil, Zionism, and that you do not accept Zionist lies as historical truth, which you seem to do.

There are some gedolim who claim the Holocaust happened precisely because of the lack of protest against Zionism and that the Holocaust was the terrible result of violating those oaths, of Ani Mattir es Bisaarchem, CH”V. I’ve even read the “middah kinegged middah” explanations, too, according to that shita.

But let’s say one holds like the other gedolim who did not claim this, who say the particular aveira or aveiros that caused this is inexplicable.

Beyond the Holocaust, do you know the shmad they have perpetrated and still do perpetrate on our people? Did Chazal not say “gadol haMachtio yoser min haHorgo”?