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truthsharer: If you (or anyone else on this site) would ever meet me, you’d consider me the classical chareidi- in dress, background, present affiliation ,children,etc. So, no (Popa) I do not -g-d forbid-hate the chareidim. I am one of them. However, to hear the outlandish statements made by so many chareidim in reaction to the present situation (see some of the statements made recently by Agudah leaders,for example)is so outrageous and so insulting to many jews that,indeed, the ugly side of some chareidim is shown. When you read about “shmad”, “destroying Torah”,”dragging bochurim from their shtenders”, “pigul”, and many other statements that are so over-the-top , you start thinking- “zu torah, vezu sechoro?” is this what the Torah truly teaches us? And then, when you look at the sources and clearly see that halacha,gemoro, rishonim and history is in total contrast to what is being preached now, you scratch your head and you posit, what is this all about? sureyl not Torah, nor tradition,as both of these are and will be well protected by any new law? And then you think, is it money? is it crass self-interest? and you come away with a very uneasy feeling about your chareidi brothers.