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HaKatan
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Oomis, very simply: you are conflating two vastly different and, indeed, opposing views.

Love of the land is completely different than Zionism. The Zionists use love of the land as part of their propaganda attempting to confuse people into supporting their idolatry because of that wish to love the land.

Using the term “Zionist” for “love of the land” is untenable because Zionism has a well-established meaning.

By the way, where is there a stated mitzvah to “love the land”?

As thankful as you are for the yeshivos that exist there, are you also thankful for the tens of thousands of Jewish lives it cost to achieve that? Was it worth it? Not to mention the gemara in Kesubos which Zionists can’t answer. It’s not even a question.

Incidentally, many gedolim decried the creation of the State of Israel, even though there were some who agreed to work with it. Agudah was founded back in the day for the express purpose of fighting Zionism. Even nowadays, as modern (not MO) rabbis have stated, nothing has changed. Zionism was and is a very bad idea and against the Torah.

Again, only people who identify with the Zionist movement are Zionist. “We” are definitely not Zionist.