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– Vladimir Jabotinsky
“We are only a nation by virtue of the Torah.”
– Saadya Gaon
The Rambam used to celebrate his aliya date even though he only lived in EY for a short time.
KJ,
1. According to both Rav Kook and Rav Soloveichik there are two aspects to are Israeliteness (I am deliberately not using “nationhood” as Rav Saadia Gaon did not write in English but in Arabic and as I do not know Arabic I cannot comment on the translation). There is the religious aspect (Berit Chorev, which is dependent on choice) and the national aspect (the Berit ben haBeitarim, which is not dependant on choice).
2. Why should Sereni have been embarassed? Rav Meir Simcha says that if a Jew thinks that Berlin (or Washington Hts. or Boro Park) is his Jerusalem the other nations will inform him that it is not.
3. Do you omit the beracha asking Hashem to bring us back to EY?
Do you really think your rhetoric is changing anyone’s mind? Those of us on this forum who are Zionist will not be swayed by the words of an online troll and those who are not Zionist will either agree with you or ignore you. You’re not changing anyone’s view of Zionism.
I live in Israel, and I celebrated Aliya Day with my family. Israel is a country built by immigrants and they should be celebrated.
While I understand why you are not a Zionist I think it’s a terrible thing to tell people who are that they are doing something wrong. Because according to our poskim we’re not.
Luna Lovegood +1
It is quite obvious that “kj chusid” is a member of the Satmar Kehillah. Answering him back will not alter his thinking and therefore it is probably better o ignore his diatribe.
What is a KJ chusid anyhow? Does KJ stand for something?
Kiryas Joel. It’s the upstate NY town controlled by one of the satmar brothers
lesschumras – thanks. I don’t know if controlled is the most appropriate word. I think it has a negative connotation, whether or not you meant it that way.
The website “True Torah Jews” is a Neterui Karta Website
Just out of curiosity, is Internet usage legal in Kiryat Joel?
Kj chusid: That’s not true “true Torah Jews” is satmar run and operated,not to C”V lessen the goodness of Neturei Karta but there 2 seperate things
Do you Support the Neturei Karta!?
Does that mean that you want the Arabs to take over Israel (not exactly sure what Neturei Karta believes -that is why I am asking)?
So does that mean that if the only way to dismantle the State is to make a deal with Chamas and hand it over to them, you would do so?
The Neturei Karta desire the destruction of the State of Israel, and allow the Arabs to take control; with the logic of better that Arabs run the country than secular Jews. If C”V something like that happened it would be 1492 all over again with a mass expulsion of the Jews R”L
I want to know what KJ believes.
You still haven’t answered my question, kj.
Also, other than Mashiach’s coming (which hopefully will be today, B”EH, and render this entire topic academic), how would it be possible for the State of Israel (which is what I assume you meant) to be wiped off the map speedily and peacefully?
Why does this sicko have a voice on Yeshiva World!?
I often delete but since it is only the three of you I thought I would let it through and see if you had anything to say. Even just to say not to bother. Sometimes a good response makes a stronger point
“Why does this sicko have a voice on Yeshiva World!?”
“I often delete but since it is only the three of you I thought I would let it through and see if you had anything to say. Even just to say not to bother. Sometimes a good response is healthy reading”
sorry for pushing him – I really just wanted to make my point for the other post:
lol. I’ll do anything to prove my point. In any event, no one will accept what he wrote anyhow, and all it accomplished was to discredit him.
lol? Is using someone and pushing them to say sick things so that you can prove a point funny? I find that somewhat disturbing
Although I do feel a bit bad for pushing him to say those things.
there is certainly what to feel bad for
“lol? Is using someone and pushing them to say sick things so that you can prove a point funny? I find that somewhat disturbing”
I did not mean that the way you took it. I wrote that because I was trying to lighten the mood, because it was getting a little intense around here, and I’ve been criticized in the CR for being too intense. But whatever – you can delete that post if you think it will be misunderstood.
And I wasn’t “using anyone”. I was not the one who brought up Neturei Karta. And I think it’s better to have that out in the open and know who he is and what point he is trying to make, than for him to keep posting these pointless rants that get everyone upset. Now we know what he is about about.
And it was your choice to post these posts.
You were clear what you meant. And he has been posting this same drivel over and over for a long time. Nothing new is out in the open. And your last line, seriously? Blaming Chava for the apple?
“there is certainly what to feel bad for’
So why did you post them? It was your choice not to delete. You gave a reason to Moshe why you didn’t delete them, and now you are blaming me?
I am not blaming you for his posts, I am disturbed by your explanation of your actions
I understand you are a bit freaked-out – so am I, but I am certainly not to blame.
freaked out? About what? His posts are old news.
“I am not blaming you for his posts, I am disturbed by your explanation of your actions”
As I said, you clearly must have misunderstood what I meant. I understand what you think I meant, but it is too complicated to explain what I really meant. Since I see that that post has been misunderstood, I would appreciate it if you could please delete it as others will probably misunderstand it as well.
I apologize for not being able to see how that post would be taken, and will try to put more effort in the future into figuring out how people will understand things.
I will just again repeat: I definitely did not mean what you thought I meant! What I meant was something that there would have been no reason for anyone to be upset about.
“I understand you are a bit freaked-out – so am I, but I am certainly not to blame.”
“freaked out? About what? His posts are old news.”
This Neturei-karta bit was news to me. I thought it was news to you too. I thought that was why you allowed my posts and his posts to go through – I thought you also wanted to show that his hashkafas are not Torah-based.
One year I marched with a disabled group at the Israeli Day Parade.
Many of the marchers were obviously disabled and they were giving out fliers about the organization to people in the crowd. One of them did not know about Netruri Karta and gave one of them the flyer about the organization.
The Neteuri Karta guy with hate in his eyes ripped up the flyer in front of the disabled person (The person was mentally disabled, not in a wheelchair) but it was quite obvious to anyone they were mentally disabled.
A good person does not take something from a disabled person and rip it up full of hate in front of that person. Who was obviously oblivious why this rasha was tearing up his flyer about the disabled organization
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