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In another thread, there was the following post:
“According to Sam, and others (MO, like Feif) everything we do as Jews can and should be questioned. Because, as they will explain, as long as G-d Himself didn’t say to do it <b>this</b> way, the MO will ask why don’t we do it <i>that</i> way. (Or do it at all.) it’s their attitude towards yiddishkite.”
My answer to this, is YES! I was always taught that Judaism is the one religion that actually ENCOURAGES questions, because the answers are there. There is absolutely no problem with asking why we do something a certain way. Is that a MO attitude towards Judaism? I hope so, as it’s the proper way. It is definitely MY attitude towards Judaism.
The author of that post didn’t mean question as in simply asking a question. He meant challenge our Mesorah in how one lives their life.
the difference between teh rasha and the chacham was the way the question was asked
I think it depends on what you ask and – more importantly – how you ask.
The Chacham and Rasha ask almost the same question. The nuance makes a big difference.
I’m not asserting or implying anything about MO or any other group or person.
We ask questions because we know we are discussing emes. If so there has to be a pshat. We are not looking at a gemara critically. many times Rishoonim and achronim do not answer their questions rather leave it at a tzarich iyun- which means It needs to be looked into. Not once do they say it must be the gemara was written by a bunch of fools. So you can ask all you want as long as you know you are dealing with the emes and you might not have a pshat.
he means- if we have a mesorah and an established approach to something, then questioning is bad. if you dont undertsnad something, questioning is good. and MO seems to do the former. if youre fine with that than great.
Anyone who asks questions deserves to have their kid edited
why doesnt he explain what he means instead of everything guessing?
what does the chacham have to do with anything
Popa, the first time it was funny (maybe– even that’s debatable). After a while (even only a couple times) it becomes stale.
Can’t you find a new line?
Is Chacham really Joseph? He doesn’t sound like him at all…
Popa, the first time it was funny (maybe– even that’s debatable). After a while (even only a couple times) it becomes stale.
Can’t you find a new line?
I hold that doing something which was controversially funny again, is funny in its own right. Because I’m referring back to the controversy.
Chacham is not really Joseph. I can vouch for him.
oneofmany- yeah I was kind of wondering the same thing. MAybe someone could enlighten me how I became a joseph?
Probably because you linked to a really old post which Joseph commented on and have been here for like five years and have a suspicious profile page.
Well, I don’t think you’re Joseph, so whatever. But it will probably take a long time for the subtitle to come off…maybe we ahould start a plea thread?
Go for it.
OOM- It does not bother me at all. It actually makes me more noticed. Let’s just hope I am not blocked
lol then we’ll leave it. If you get blocked we’ll start the thread.
Hehe. Your subtitle should read, “wants people to think he’s Joseph.” Mods?
How would you even know if he’s blocked? If there’s a subtitle it doesn’t say blocked.
…if he suddenly stops posting?
Hey, why does this remind remind me of something?
Sometimes, things are done in a certain way, and it is a shevere chumra or a shvere kula. And it was started in times of the Achronim. And it is not good to continue to do it.
Joseph is like Snowball from animal farm.
Check my posts and decide whether I follow Joseph’s point of view.
It’s not about the actual question, it’s the believe that the hanhaga can be changed due to the current popular perception of what’s right.
Questioning to understand is correct. But we must remember and believe that even when we don’t understand that we MUST continue believing in and doing our mesorah.
Another underlining concept is that there are meny reasons for our traditions. The gamura may give a reason, but it doesn’t mean there aren’t any others. It is not up to us to determine this. Unless we KNOW otherwise (via a proclamation from the rabunnim,) we MUST continue believeing that our mesorah is relevant, true, and valid.
Yitchokm: It’s not that Hanhaga can be changed based on current popular perception, it’s that maybe it can be changed due to new circumstances or a new understanding of Rishonim. Poskim are Mechadesh all the time and are sometimes even sure enough of that to Pasken by it. And we change Hanhaga. There are plenty of places we’re Machmir in Yoreh De’ah because we don’t know technical definitions anymore. Or people who decided to stop eating Gebrochts. Or plenty of other examples. There is no reason why things like MBP should be inherently different from those, even if in reality there is a different conclusion. But there’s no reason not to ask and look into it.
Feif-
Correct. The gedolem understood that the reason wasn’t valed any more. They understood the real reason and where able to say “no more”
What Mesorah is there to eat Glatt Kosher , To Learn in Kollel forever or for Everyone to have a Lulav and Estrog
Rav Schachter raises a bigger issue. Since Metzitzah, as far as we know, is only for healing, and since that healing is taken care of by other means nowadays, why are we allowed to do Metzitzah on Shabbos? It should be a Chiyuv Skilah.
feif- wanting to understand is fine, but as said above, critical questioning, not trying to farshtey, is wrong, and seems to be what you mean. youre not asking pshat, youre asking mihaichah taise, lets do it differently because i want to.
Fief un, the story with the Kollel is the same as with the Arba minim — there was not an opportunity. Now. ther is.
Toi, see my previous post.
mdd- ive no idea what you mean to shtel tzu.
zdad- your ability to bring in things with no shaychis is astounding.
Any questioning has an answer in Yiddishkeit. We might not know the answers to every question, but there is at least one answer to each question. Don’t get me wrong. It’s not right to ask in a rebellious way or any inappropriate way. However, there is always an answer.
Rav Schachter says that the difference between Judaism and other religions is that we encourage any and all questions. This is because we know that Judaism is Emes so we have no reason to fear any question at all. (With the exception of the questions mentioned in the beginning of the second Perek of Chagigah. This is not because we don’t know the answers, but rather because the answers are beyond human comprehension.)
“but there is at least one answer to each question.”
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Any questioning has an answer in Yiddishkeit. We might not know the answers to every question, but there is at least one answer to each question. Don’t get me wrong. It’s not right to ask in a rebellious way or any inappropriate way. However, there is always an answer.
Christianity also does, they just don’t know any of the answers. You can’t claim we’re special if you can’t answer the questions.
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