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    Joseph
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    How was Poland backwards when they were home educating girls without school, the same way our bubbes did for thousands of years throughout Jewish history.

    #1211262

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Joseph, maybe he means they were backwards because they took longer to realize that nowadays school is necessary for girls.

    The answer is that the other places may have needed it sooner (because they were more exposed to the modern culture) and that is why they had it sooner.

    On the same topic, sometimes people like to criticize more insulated Frum communities for being slower to take on modern solutions to problems. They forget that those same communities were also slower to have those problems (precisely because of that same insulation).

    It is Time – I am not trying to imply that that was what you were doing here.

    #1211263

    benignuman
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    I think the core of Lightbrite’s answer is a Gemara.

    The Mishna in Nedarim 35b says that Person A that has been forbidden (through a Neder) to provide benefit to Person B, may still teach Tanach to Person B’s sons and daughters. In the Gemara that follows there is a dispute about how people are allowed to take money for teaching Torah at all: Rav says that a person can take pay for watching the children so that they don’t run around and get into trouble outside (see “Rashi” Nedarim 37a); Rav Yochanan says for teaching them the trop (i.e. how to lein which is not Torah d’oraisa).

    Later (Nedarim 37b) the Gemara asks why Rav Yochanan doesn’t hold like Rav that the pay is watching the kids. The Gemara answers because the Mishna said that one is allowed to teach Tanach to the daughters of Person B (despite the fact that one normally can be paid) but girls don’t need watching (because they don’t run around outside).

    So girls don’t need school on Sundays because they behave without school!

    #1211264

    baisyaakovliberal
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    My bais yaakov school gives us school on Friday and Sunday….

    #1211265

    baisyaakovliberal,

    OY, that then explains how you became a liberal

    #1211266

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    I had school on Friday and Sunday and I am not a liberal.

    #1211267

    baisyaakovliberal
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    ^^haha I was actually interested in politics and had clearly defined views way before high school. My earliest politics memory hapened when I was around eight or nine years old 🙂

    #1211268

    liberal

    as in eighteenth century liberal like myself

    or

    early twentieth century liberal

    or

    later twentieth century decadent anti individual liberal?

    #1211270

    baisyaakovliberal
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    IsTfT: Can you define your various liberal labels? I’m not sure what each of them stand for.

    #1285658

    chabadgal
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    its only in out of town schools that girls dont have school sundays. i live in brooklyn and girls have school on sundays from first grade in all the schools i know.

    #1289574

    modche
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    GIRLS ALSO HAVE LESS HOURS, AT LEAST WHERE I LIVE.
    BUT I BELIVE THAT THAT IS HOW IT SHOULD BE. THE MITZVA OF LEARNING TORAH IS SPECIFIC ON BOYS AND MEN, NOT WOMAN.

    #1289600

    chabadgal
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    modche- until fifth grade, boys and girls have the same 9-4 (approximately)
    in a previous post it said HS has 9-3- dunno where that is, I have 830-5.

    #1289613

    bmyer
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    “i live in brooklyn and girls have school on sundays from first grade in all the schools i know.”
    Chabadgal:
    Maybe in crown heights..I think you should “know” more schools…
    There are PLENTY and might I say most schools in brooklyn DO NOT have school on sunday…

    #1289675

    apushatayid
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    Bigger question. Why dont boys have yeshiva on erev shavuos, at the very least a friday schedule when most girls schools do?

    #1289697

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Why dont boys have yeshiva on erev shavuos, at the very least a friday schedule when most girls schools do?

    to you and others above…THERE IS LIFE OUTSIDE OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!!!!!!

    did you mean to say, “why don’t boys in the handful of schools i am aquainted with have school on erev shavuos?” Cuz my girls didn’t but my boys did. And i would even go out on a limb and guess that there are OTHER communities where it may have differed from mine *gasp*

    {eye rolling emoji}

    #1290001

    Avram in MD
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    apushatayid,

    Bigger question. Why dont boys have yeshiva on erev shavuos, at the very least a friday schedule when most girls schools do?

    Not sure that is the case everywhere, but perhaps the reason is to help the students rest in order to prepare for the tikkun leil Shavuos.

    #1290464

    WinnieThePooh
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    It does seem pretty pointless to honor kabbalas hatorah by giving off from learning Torah.
    For that reason, my boys’ school had a half day, with a special chavrusa-style learning session in the morning. That really got them excited about shavous night learning. Then they came home and had plenty of time to nap in the afternoon.
    The girls had off.

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