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davie i share your appreciation for modim from rappaport however im perfectly content with Kwartin singing ribono shel oilom[hotzoas sefer tora]Adler might do a nice job but its tailor made 4 zawel .it makes me wonder how rozo dishabbos would sound sung by SIROTA im curious how u like eilu dvorim [not the way moishe sang it ]yanky55 you can take a lot of pieces into a dark room just make sure to come out. shabbat shalom A.K.A. A GITTEN SHABBOS
the shommo vatismach which kwartin sings is that Eisenstadt original and Moishe modified it / P.S. i forgot Wieder on the frum list.
Kwartin did not sing the Eisenstadt Shomo. That was his own. Eisenstadt’s was sung by Sirota first, then M.K.
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i love shomah vatismach tzion. the tune brings out the words nicely.
btw, have any of you ever heard Teleshevsky’s Vnirahu ayin bayin? It’s nicely fashioned after pinchik.
the brocho from hallel which herschman sings is it D.M.Stienbergs?
are any of moishe k’s pieces his own?
I believe that the Bracha for Hallel was by Steinberg. I don’t believe M.K. composed any of the big concert peices in his repertoire. But that’s not an exact statement either. While the Aneinu was by Kotlowitz and the Esa Einai by Yardeni and the Hatei by Schorr, etc., M.K. so significantly modified those peices and eltered them to suit his voice, that they are arguably new peices entirely, but based on other pieces.
ah! hershman’s brocho fun halel. that’s another piece that anyone can nosh from at the amud. the Asher kidshonu.. and also the Vtzivonu..
cantoresq, where can i get the Pinchik R”H davening?
The Pinchik R”H is around. Ask any real meivin and I’m sure he has it.
moishe probably modified sheybneh bais hamikdosh the most i believe mah godlu is moishes own he also like to sing Alter, 2masterpieces come to mind akavyo, yom kippur kotton Shores numbers were recordered by others lifeechoch anachnu was recorded by waldman &ribon haolomim [in korbanot] was recorded by Malavsky
The Mah Godlu sung my M.K. is by Leo Low.
the av horachamim is broyde/machtenberg what exactly is who’s? the keil moleh after the Kielcer pogrom in 1946 is that m.k. own?
cantoresq, that’s insulting. i thought I was a real meivin 🙂
davy – “where can i get the Pinchik R”H davening?”
Do you means an entire album of R”H, or pieces?
Altermirrer as far as I know, the Kel Moleh after the Kielce pogrom was his own.
cherrybim, the reference is to a live Pinchik davening on R”H.
OK, how about chazzan weider. I love his ahava raba. i kinda think that stern noshed alot from his style.
and how about sydney shikoff. he had a gorgeous voice. such color. he has a wonderful Galei.
and lastly i’ll bring up Richard Tucker. his voice was a little too operatic for my taste, but he was a zugger. for ex. his yiru eineinu..
“the reference is to a live Pinchik davening on R”H”
cantoresq, why do you think there’s almost no mention or availability of this recording on the internet?
Shicoff had a great voice, but in my opinion he wasn’t much of a chazzan. Tucker was a far superior chazzan. BTW the Yiru Eineinu was by Secunda, as was virtually every piece Tucker recorded.
What about David Shiro and Yechezchel Sion? Their great
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And what of Yechiel Nahari and Moshe Haboucha? Actually the Yechezkel Sion and Moshe Haboucha recordings that I have access to are not really hazzanut but not really pop either.
I haven’t heard anything of David Shiro in ages, but suddenly I have become a fan of Yechiel Nahari since Jewishbroadcast.com started to play his albums.
A600KiloBear, I’m not all the well versed in sephardic chazzanut. Somewhere in my library I have a chart of the makamot, and I’ve listened to some Joe Amar. But beyond that and some passing familiarity with some melodies used in Shearith Israel, it’s terro incognita for me.
a600kilobear; my familiarity with sephardic cantors is alberto mizrachi singing viliruholaym ircho
there was a sefardic chazzan, i think his name was Ben Soussan, who was into “regular” chazzanus around 15 yrs ago. he sang MK stuff basically.
what makes a sefardic baal tefilah a Chazzan? do they sing different types of songs.
i personally always love chapping a minyan by the sefardim. the way they daven together is beautiful. I used to go to bnei yosef (corner ocean Pkwy and ave P) sometimes. the aroma of strong turkish coffe was also tantalizing:-)
Mishpacha had a great article on Chazzan Helffgott in this week’s edition.
see what happens? we start talking about sephardic chazzanut and the whole thread disintergrates……
i saw an ad for a concert with Sol Zim. where does he fall into the picture of chazzanus?
Sol Zim is a very good cantor. I haven’t heard him daven, but friends of mine, real cognescenti, have. They tell me it was marvelous,
i know one of the Zim[el] brothers enjoyed a close relationship with MOISHE K. i believe it was Paul Zim he served as cantor in B.E. for a short while after Moishe’s passing.The recordings give the impression that Paul is more chazzan &Sol has a bigger voice
It may be that there were a lot of chazzonim of the past that were frum but none can compare to Yosssele for the emotion in his songs (such as Ohr Chodosh.
Incidentlly I especially enjoy hearin Cantor Banjamin Muller of Antewerp for this express reason the emotion in his voice when he sings is palpable
I must agree,
with Mr. Ben Levi.
It’s interesting that you pick on Yossele’s Ohr chodosh al tzion tair… That’s on one of his lesser known albums, where some of the pieces are not spectacular. but that ohr chadash is indeed a classic. it also is within the realm of nussach so it’s available for noshing…so long as you can get back to nusach for the end of the bracha.
also on that album worth noting, is Tzadik Rebbi Elazar ben Shamua.
Both Sol and Paul Zim were students of MK. He wrote a letter on their behalf to Binyamin Ungar, the chazzan at the Great Synagogue in Tel Aviv asking him to teach them. BTW, their’s is a famous sibling rivalry in the cantorial world.
to mr levi i also appreciate cantor Muller not only for his beautiful voice but also b/c he’s a real ehrliche yid [his ear could use a little help]davie tzadik reb elozor is an exellent choice especially the way he fades out by his repetition of yotzoso nishmosoy another one of the less popular pieces which cantor Muller does a good job with is reb yishmoel oymer thats good gelernt abraysa CANTORESQ I didnt know that MOISHE held Unger to be such a great teacher/cantor alot oof israeli cantors that studied under Eshel
There’s a tape around of paul zim training with Moshe. he’s saying yehe raava.. from the end of brich shmei. Moshe corrects him on the pronunciation of the word “Libai”.
it’s interesting that Yossele says Libi instead of Libai in his brich shmei. (that’s probably why Zim said it like that.) is that a valid girsa, or did Yossele make a mistake?
On that note, does anyone know of any other mistakes that were recorded in chazzanus?
The De Sola Pool siddur has it as “libi” as do most Yemenite siddurim. I’ve seen both girsaot in texts of the Zohar. The Rav zt”l maintained that it’s “libi” As to other recorded errors, Raza d’Shabbos is replete with errors in the Hebrew. Pinchik recorded it as a sound test, and sang ti by heart. But it sounded so good they published it.
To cantoresque, There’s a cd of a concert that Muller gave in Manchester with his sons where he sins the braisa of Rabi Yishmoel beutifully, He also does a great job with Gonchoff Shir Shel Haleviem (wich he completley redid.
Incidently he has a son in Manchester who I’ve heard could be better then him but I don’t know of any recordings he’s done.
a few interesting changes of text elokay ad sheloi noitzarty JORO says morek not mchok JORO says lirtzos [as well as hirschman] and Glantz says liratztos in tal [maybe sefard] i think JORO says besshilush not besholosh in shoimer yisroel benlevi r u refering to the concert where Muller sings hashem zichoronu from JORO&havdoloh from Z.Zilberts?
No not that I recall Benjamin Muller it’s the one sing’s Yossele’s Kuh Keli on
in all of the disscussion we forgot acouple of the golden oldies Vigoda ,Kapov Kagan wieder ederman and one of the purest singers ever ,yossele shmidt the last big cantors of Europe such as eidelson mandelbaum price. its apity that some of them never recorded professionaly
actually, we did mention kapav-kagan and weider. i find kapav-kagan nice but very repititious. in his rachamana dianei he goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on….. the piece never ends. having said that, his style was indeed beautiful, love his kiddush.
kwartin was the same way, his pieces were almost all the same, but his style has become his trademark.
the main critique on Kapov was his ear[lack of]his voice was among the largest . furthermore although he said words over a lot he still was more diverse than Kwartin who had 3 basic tnuos S.Carlebach had this limitation inhis older years.
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