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I’m sure there will be more posts about this in the coming weeks, but I was wondering if anyone had any interesting questions about Chanukah. I’m currently finishing up the sugyas and would love some food for thought. All topics are welcome, though primarily I’m looking for a halacha related discussion.
For jokes and Purim Torah (Chanuka Torah?) kindly refer to my other post.
hatzlacha on your second attempt!
I have a halachic related question on the other post. If you have any info
yitayningwut- ok i feel bad your not getting a response so here is a question- how come by chanukah we are all into the nes being publicized and by purim its more of a hidden holiday?
Blinky
Because each story came about in a different way. The Nes Chanukah was an open NES no denying it so we celebrate it by publicing the NES. Purim on the other hand appeared to be al pi derech hateva there were no open Nisim and Hashems name isn’t even mentioned in the Megillah so there’s no inyan of Parsumei Nisa to publicize the Neis.
A. Does one have to make hamotzi on a shiur kvieas seuda of jelly donuts, or is it understood that on chanuka people eat a shiur kvieas seudah of donuts as a snack? Would that make a difference? (Assume they are not fried, or assume that frying has a din of baking)
B. If one lights a ner the first night, with only one day of oil, and it miraculously burns for 8 days, and he had daas to be yotzei all 8 mitzvos, is he yotzei? Why not?
C. If one does not know which night it is, and he lights twice, once for each possible night, with daas each time for one, is he yotzei?
D. Same question, but it may have been friday night. (He doesn’t know if it is friday night or thursday night.)
E. If one does not know if it is friday night or motzaei shabbos, but either way it is chanuka; is he allowed to light bein hashmashos?
F. Suppose chanuka starts on tuesday, and one is confused whether today is tuesday and therefore chanuka, or friday and not chanuka. He lit candles on condition that if it is friday they are for shabbos, and if it is tuesday, they are for chanuka.
1. It is friday, it he yotzei shabbos candles?
2. It is tuesday, is he yotzei chanuka candles.
G. If one always lights candles in his doorway the entire year, does he need to do anything different on chanuka?
H. Same question, but the entire year, he even has daas that it is for the mitzva of chanuka, how should he have daas on chanuka?
“how come by chanukah we are all into the nes being publicized and by purim its more of a hidden holiday? “
I blame it all on Hallmark. When I was a kid we celebrated Chanukah but the rest of the world really didn’t know or pay attention. Then Hallmark and the other card companies saw that there was a profit to be made and suddenly mass merchandisers see Chanukah as the Jewish Xmas – mostly because of the dates being so close. The press now loves the holiday as well and are forever publishing recipes and menu ideas for Chanukah. Nobody has tipped these companies off about Purim – yet. Also, most people pick up costumes at this time of year for half price, so there isn’t a mad dash for them in Feb/March. Believe me, if the costume manufacturers thought they could make a buck putting up costume displays in WalMart at Purim, they would do it. I also blame Hallmark for making Hallowe’en so important. I recently read that more people decorate their homes and yards for Hallowe’en than for Xmas. This is all recent – it didn’t happen 25 years ago. Also, they turned St. Paddy’s day into a big deal – for everyone, not just the Irish. Purim’s turn is just around the corner.
You like? Ok, here goes:
1. Are you yotzei with stolen oil?
Assuming you are not;
1b Reuven lights with oil that he thinks he stole from Shimon, but it is really Reuven’s oil, is Reuven yotzei?
1c Suppose he knows that you are not yotzei with stolen oil, but he has daas to be yotzei anyway.
1d Suppose he is a shaliach of Shimon to light, and he thinks it is Shimon’s oil but it is his own, is he stealing his own oil? Is shimon yotzei? Must reuven pay himself?
lets say you’re having a Chanuka party somewhere and it wouldn’t be feasible to go home and light before. Can the father of the house you are going to be yotzei for around 50 girls? Or do they each have to light?
Sister Bear
If one is a guest at someone’s house (and staying there overnight), one should give the owner a small amount of money to buy a portion in their candles and one may fulfil the obligation through the owner. Alternatively the guest may light his own Menorah.
In exceptional circumstances one may light one and a quarter hours before sunset with a blessing. (However one should be careful to put in more oil or to use longer candles). If possible it is better to appoint an agent to light candles at the correct time, than to light early.
If one forgot or was not able to light at the correct time, one may light as long as people are still awake in the house in which one is lighting. (Your house)
“You like? Ok, here goes:
1. Are you yotzei with stolen oil?
Assuming you are not;
1b Reuven lights with oil that he thinks he stole from Shimon, but it is really Reuven’s oil, is Reuven yotzei?
1c Suppose he knows that you are not yotzei with stolen oil, but he has daas to be yotzei anyway.
1d Suppose he is a shaliach of Shimon to light, and he thinks it is Shimon’s oil but it is his own, is he stealing his own oil? Is shimon yotzei? Must reuven pay himself? “
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He is Yotzei on lighting (becuase it really was his own property), and oveir in hirhur to commit a crime (thinking it was Shimon’s). The kavanah is part of it.
Oomis:
Yes, but if he knows that you are not yotzei with stolen oil, and he thinks it is stolen, so he thinks he is not being yotzei, so he thinks he is being ridiculous in having daas to be yotzei, so does he really have kavana?
yit – Thanks for the info, btw yes we light outside. But that does not explain for why we are noheg to take out the umbrella. I dont think it has anything to do with rain.
Wow! I’m impressed. I remembered that when I was learning for smicha the best questions were the absurd ones. (May one tovel in the gulf oil spill? Yes)
As far as the thursday/friday question; I meant that he lit at night so he may have been mechalel shabbos.
Also, the bein hashmashos question; I was wondering if he was able to light since it is a mitzva and bein hashmashos is a safek.
Popa bar: A)Refer to pizza thread, and also Star K has a nice distillation of pas haba bekisnin
B) no, not ktakannas hachamim, that each day has a hiyuv
hadlaka
C)not knowing which day. You are yotze with one candle,
so that is preferable to lighting the wrong number.
E) bein hasmoshos; Why would you do a drabanan aseh
and violate a safek lav d’oraita?
Minyan Gal: Also possibly causal is the Zionist Entity ( may it prosper and be well)took it mistakenly as a secular militaristic holiday, and imagined themselves to be the new Maccabees. The old Macabees might have voiced some protest about that.
Now tachlis: If you don’t mind decorating your sukkah with tinsel, flashing colored lights and glass balls, the stuff marketed to the hoi poloi is really dirt cheap. You just have to buy it the year before. Same with Halloween if you like orange/black/ purple themes.
Regarding Pirsumei Nisah on Chanukah but not Purim, this in incorrect. We do have Pirsumei Nisah on Purim, that is why the ikkar takanah was at day when people are around. The chiyuv at night was a later takanah.
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