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  • #593947

    why is backing up to an external drive better than backing up to a second dedicated internal hard drive?

    #726797
    WolfishMusings
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    Because if some other component other than the hard drive fails (the motherboard, for example), it will be much easier to retrieve your data to another machine.

    In addition, your external drive is in a different location than your main machine. A small fire/leak may damage your computer but spare your external drive.

    The Wolf

    #726798
    crdle
    Member

    Because if your computer goes or if you lose all memory, you are screwed, as opposed to an external one , who you can plug in and get all your saved info, as well as take it places with u.

    #726799

    1) It’s easier to port to another computer to restore and / or copy data.

    2) If the PC is physically damaged (fire, flood, theft), your backup external drive can be safely elsewhere.

    3) Your portable drive can be used for other purposes.

    4) Your computer doesn’t have to be opened, HD removed and reinstalled, and new PC configured to get the backup data.

    5) External HDs can be quite useful for those who do multimedia editing and need a large amount of swapable storage.

    6) Many external HDs can be connected to the router directly and configured to back up critical data for all computers within a household.

    #726800

    the fire/leak i hear (a pretty weak consideration though)

    but as to the other answer and crdle answer:

    you still have an intact drive either way, just in a different location, the backup on which can either way be transferred.

    there must be something more fundamental, ext drives are so popular for backups

    #726801

    thanks icot

    so it doesnt seem too important for me then, at least not critical in any way; would you agree?

    1. easier doesnt concern me so much

    2. a consideration, but very minor for me, especially since i would probably keep any external drive in the same area as my computer

    3. i wouldnt use it for anything else

    4. same as 1. ?

    5. not applicable

    #726802
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    I have LOTS of pictures (photos in RAW format take up a LOT of space) and easily ran out of HD space on my last laptop. That was my main motivation for getting an external drive.

    The Wolf

    #726803

    not a consideration

    i have 2 int drives in a desktop

    320gig/500gig

    #726804

    for any geeks that are interested

    you might want to hear briefly about my computer almost disaster that prompted this thread

    briefy

    windowsXP would not load

    did a repair reinstallation, no better

    reseated the ram, no help

    went to an expert

    turned out, amazingly to me, that the D drive, which had no OS or programs, only storage for my pictures was corrupted, so windows located on the C drive would not load!

    who would have thought

    #726805

    Moderator-80-

    Based on your comments and replies, it’s quite likely you’re just fine with your current setup.

    Portable media is quite cheap nowadays – IIRC, I’ve seen a 2 TB external drive for about $100 recently.

    Your computer issue is interesting.

    Debugging PC problems can be quite difficult, tedious and frustrating.

    Issues can be hardware, software or driver based. That’s not even looking at network issues, and incompatibilities between two items that each work fine on their own.

    #726806

    im considering an iomego?

    icot

    tell me the truth

    if i told you i had a C drive with windows, all my programs and most of my data

    and a D drive with some photos stored on it

    and one day windows wouldnt boot (blue screen flashing on for 1/4 sec then back to bios), wouldnt load in safe or any other mode, not solved by windows reinstall.

    would you consider a faulty D drive as the cause?

    #726807
    Midwest2
    Participant

    One word: lightning. Look at the warranty on your surge protector. It specifically excludes lightning strikes to your local electricity network. Ask me. It happens.

    So I got a nice roomy external drive. Then one day my air conditioner shorted out and blew the fuse and everything else, including my hard drive. No sweat. Bought a new hard drive, took my external out of the back cupboard and – good to go.

    I don’t know how this works with laptops, but of course there’s rain, spilled coffee 😉 curious kids, thieves and all sorts of other good stuff.

    #726808
    Midwest2
    Participant

    BTW – Yes, I had a surge protector, but I didn’t realize that it had outlived its useful life. And the lightning strike couldn’t have cared less about a surge protector.

    #726809

    thanks midwest im a little closer to getting convinced

    #726810
    bezalel
    Participant

    It is always better to separate your backup media from your computer. The following scenarios demonstrate why this is so:

    The computer is stolen.

    The computers components are damaged by an electrical fault.

    The data is damaged by malware.

    #726811

    Moderator-80-

    – booting into safe mode

    – booting into command-prompt mode

    – booting off of a CD or DVD (CMOS settings may have to be adjusted for this)

    [although the system check screen was kind enough to say something about a memory problem, which made things easier]).

    – Removing the modem, graphics card and other add-on devices.

    – Disconnecting and possibly uninstalling peripheral hardware.

    – Disconnect the master drive.

    – Look at the device manager for hardware issues.

    – Check the event viewer

    – Google any error messages (and symptoms)

    – Reinstall Windows (without wiping out the current programs).

    – Clean reinstall Windows and all programs.

    I’ve started from scratch with my laptop PC more than once – most recently I needed to change the CMOS settings to boot from the DVD drive just to get started. My backups are very low-tech; I usually burn a DVD with key data and put it in a (hopefully) safe place.

    Was it recoverable?

    Reformatable?

    Do you know what caused the problem?

    Midwest2-

    Bezalel-

    #726812
    bezalel
    Participant

    I can only try:

    I forgot to mention that the advantages of backing up to an external drive generally require that the drive be removed when it is not in use.

    Also I used the term “electical fault” not lightning. I have never seen a drive damaged by lightning (but I’m not denying the possibilty) but have seen drives damaged from a disconnected neutral.

    #726813
    Midwest2
    Participant

    It isn’t just replacing the equipment. I was in the middle of writing a master’s thesis. Fortunately I had most of the manscript itself backed up on floppies (remember those?) and the rest either in hard copy or on our PC in the lab.

    And if I hadn’t had bad experiences with TRS-80’s (the original and very unreliable PC) I wouldn’t have backed up anything and I would have been in for a very stressful time. Never keep anything valuable in only one place. Besides backing it up electronically, if it’s really crucial take the time to run off a hard copy and store it somewhere.

    #726814

    If anybody is in the market for an external drive, bargain site deals2buy.com has several today, such as:

    -a rugged 1TB drive for $100

    -a couple of 2TB drives for $100

    -a 1TB drive for $77

    -a 500GB ultra-portable for $70

    site: http://www.deals2buy.com

    #726816

    could not boot in any mode

    able to boot with recovery disk

    repair installed windows no help

    computer friend checked the ram

    he knew the symptoms

    said 90% its a hard drive hardware problem

    next step disconnected second drive and that did it

    it was a 3 year old WD drive

    computer guy said it just went bad

    he said par for the course for WD

    much prefers seagate

    everything recovered

    2 new seagate drives installed

    thank you everyone

    going to backup with acronis on the second drive

    comp guy says the drives should be okay for at least 5 years

    #726817
    ronrsr
    Member

    >>>comp guy says the drives should be okay for at least 5 year<<<

    SHOULD is the word. Hard drive failure is a random sniper, it can happen any time.

    #726818

    yes he didnt give me a guarantee or promise. he said should. ext drives can go bad too

    he said seagates usually make a particular noise when they start to go bad. usually plenty of time to swap it.

    #726819

    usually

    #726820
    Duct Tape
    Member

    Did you look into online backup? If your data is important and you are worried about concerns of fire/flood in addition to computer crashes and hard drive failure this may be an option for you.

    Pricing often starts at under $5 a month for unlimited storage per computer, and you can find discount codes and specials online to give you a month or two free.

    The downsides to this method are:

    1) Cost – what you would end up paying for 2 months of online backup for a single computer, could buy you an external hard drive that you can use for more than just a single unit.

    2) Time – In case disaster strikes and you lose all of your data, the speed of your internet connection could limit the transfer speed of data back on the drive. With a Hard Drive, you could just copy and paste right back on. (You should also note that the initial backup will also take a while, so its recommended you run it overnight)

    Personally for important files I use my one of my web hosting plans for storage. I know that I will have access to them wherever I need, and my hosting provider backs up their servers in case they go down…so its a double layer of security for me.

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