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For those of you who think CPS is your friend, or think calling the government on people for petty reasons like having financial issues or just to use that as an excuse to make someone afraid you should know that CPS is a child trafficking ring.
According to thousands upon thousands of stories from people who had this horror happen to them, CPS will take vulnerable families and do anything they can to take their kids away. The stories show inconsistancies in what they demand and also show a pattern of taking advantage of vulnerable parents.
If you are willing to be honest of course. The government is _not_ your friend.
There are hundreds upon thousands of horror stories as well of kids who were put on the system who were starved and sometimes dead because of CPS negligence. Next time you want to threaten somebody, you prob should take care of it in some other manner rather then threatening government involvement. It’s a lot worse then what I’m saying but same way you would consider someone a moser for certain things we also should consider this a form of Mesirah as well. if you read the stories upon horror stories it becomes clear that they will only, find vulnerable families that have no network,
Who are struggling financially, have noone to fight for them and the other families who have actual problems they will, ignore due to the structure of the people who can defend them
I know someone who was put in the system who’s brother was murdered by starvation by the system….
Obviously in our community this wouldn’t happen cuz the kids would go to next of kin. But don’t be stupid to call on an abhorrent system that actually doesn’t have the child in mind but makes 50,000 dollers per child they actually take away from parents according to a clause put into governmental law during the Clinton administration.
These laws were systemicly put in to fracture the safety of our socioty. Don’t be a fool to think this isn’t real. You can find the real life stories everywhere, and who knows how many missing children has to do with this abhorrent system.
I’m saying all this because you should not be using CPS or the government as a coercive tactic.It IS mesirah to call them. It isn’t even a close call.
Otherwise, you’re absolutely correct, from beginning to end.
I suggest consult a competent rav if there is actual danger to children.
Not every cooperation with authorities is mesirah. I know a rav whose congregants were engaged in some financial mischief. When authorities wanted to talk to the Rav, he was apprehensive and called up one of the great charedi roshei yeshivos in US. RY suggested telling authorities everything rav knew about the case and the people involved.
What is the chiddush? You dont have to go as far as cps, it’s never a good idea to get the government involved in anything at all. Ever. Most of the time we deal with them it’s because it’s forced
Im assuming CPS is another form of ACS
I want to start with a disclaimer, I don’t believe ACS really cares about children/families
My question is what should be done so that it’s not לא תעמד על דם רעך if it could get to that point
I disagree.
rebEmes and others> it’s never a good idea to get the government involved in anything at all. Ever.
sure, don’t call police for robberies and let hatzolah find all terrorists. And build roads. Getting carried away a little while enjoying the fruits of a modern state… Why? Maybe you don’t want to be grateful. Daven for the malchus so that people do no swallow each other alive/Pirkei_Avot
I still disagree. 🙂
כתיבה וחתימה טובה!
FINALLY! Something nevuah said that I agree with!
You have a very wild imagination 😂
This thread goes one step further towards confirming my suspicions of who Nevuah/none2.0 is.
Obviously, I won’t doxx you, but Menachem just be aware that we know what your ex is putting you through and it’s not right.To those of you who don’t know him, he is a child of immigrant Baalei teshuvah who has gone through a lot in the last couple of years including a major financial setback and a messy divorce that should not have been necessary. His wife was being guided by some misguided or malicious individuals.
Bear all of that in mind when viewing his posts in the future. I’m not saying to agree with him, just asking you to understand that (assuming I’m right regarding his identity), he is hurting terribly.
Fake, yet one more case of researching poster personally? It is against the rules, and any notion of decency. Please stop.
Nevuah, wait– I thought you *liked* making up fake stories about other posters!
I’m mochel
AAQ, I wasn’t researching anyone.
I happen to know a guy whose profile eerily lines up with nevuah/none2.0.
The timeline of when he went through what he went through lines up too well with when none 2.0 began posting in earnest. The break between none2.0 and nevuah lines up with when he moved out of state and got resettled.
This thread about CPS was too close to what I heard his ex did to him for me to not connect the dots.That being said, there are many people who get bitter and they may have points about these issues as well even if they are on the exact timeline as someone else’s trauma.
If he says it’s not him, I’ll believe him.
But to the real Menachem, if you ever do come across this thread, just know that not everyone forgot about you. I’m giving you your space since you ignored my calls. I’m ready to pick the phone and talk whenever you are ready. I genuinely hope it’s sooner than later. you’ve been through too much to just roll over and play dead. You still have a lot to accomplish and those of us who actually paid attention don’t believe a word of what she said. Even without a word out of your mouth, it was clear that she was being coached to say things that were patently false.
You don’t need her. She was apparently a gold digger since she decided to drop you the minute your business went south. Shame on her! And we are all rooting for you to regain access/custody as soon as you are ready to come back and restart your life.
Let’s hope this year brings stability and clarity to your life.I’m sure this is a message that the vast majority of the eclectic crew here can get behind.
Fake news, I’m pretty sure the vast majority or the “eclectic crew” here do not want to be involved in the personal problems of an unknown person based on unverifiable information shared by an anonymous source apparently without the knowledge or permission of the person in question.
Unfortunately there is no shortage of acrimonious divorces in klal Yisroel. Sometimes it’s his fault, sometimes it’s her fault, sometimes it’s both of them, but they will always point the finger at the other one, so it’s foolish to pick sides unless you know the situation very, very well, which all of us besides you presumably do not.
Incidentally, there is no shortage of abused and neglected children in klal Yisroel, and in a minority of cases, CPS needs to be involved. Obviously those would only be the extreme cases, and it should be done only with a careful cheshbon and guidance from a competent Rav. But pretending that child abuse doesn’t happen or that our community is equipped to deal with even the most severe cases of child abuse is not the answer.
Aseh Meat, you can’t get behind a message wishing for a year of stability and clarity for a fella who’s been through some stuff?
I was hoping that at least that message people could get on board with.
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