June 15, 2010 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #688174
Good Moderator, it appears that your demand for strict adherence to the rules of the CR has earned you a loftier title. Enjoy.June 16, 2010 6:45 am at 6:45 am #688175
you were probably reffering to,
Wolf, Bp Totty, Kapusta, and nother one that didnt come up in my brain at the moment. no?
Now that I have stopped laughing, the extent of the compliment has settled in. Glad to see my ranting has accomplished something around here. 🙂
BP Totty, just to satisfy my curiosity, was I one of the people you had in mind? (btw, with the news lately, your name might not get you too many compliments)
To bring this thread back on track, (sorry!), B”H I do not know of any groups and I do recommend that s/he join the CR. There is something calming (???) and even beneficial about talking on an online forum where no one knows you and your emotional baggage. It may not replace therapy, but it cant hurt. And hey, theres a funny shidduch stories/jokes/etc thread for a reason!
To the OP, whether your friend joins or not, lots of hatzlacha!June 16, 2010 5:59 pm at 5:59 pm #688176
kapusta – I’ll give you a long answer fisrt, then a short one:
One of my favorite pirke avos mishnas are (6:2) is,”each and every day, a bas kol goes forth from Har Chorev and says, ect)
Who hears this bas kol? and to whom is it directed to? One explanation I heard was, its heard by anyone who hears the call (meaning they experience a bolt of teshuva and act on the feeling instead of ignoring it.)
So, while I picked the number “4 members” it was an arbitrary number, but I figured if someone can relate to the topic, they will “hear” it calling out to them, and therefore, it was directed to them (and anyone else that feels they can be of help)
The short answer: About 4 months ago, there was a thread “insensitive comments” and i was expecting each of those respondents to pick up this thread (some already did, the others may just not have seen it yet.
As far as I could tell, you did not comment on that thread, but IMHO, it was one of the better threads. Lots of chizuk, lots of heart. (Not sure how to post the link, so perhaps the Mods can help out with that).June 16, 2010 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #688177
And as far as taking heat for the BP initials, no, thankfully, but it did give me an idea for a new thread. I’m going to put it together overnight and post it as “The BP mess”June 16, 2010 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #688178
Looks like the prankster is back to having funJune 16, 2010 9:58 pm at 9:58 pm #688179
Huh?June 16, 2010 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #688180
And who added the “no relationship to BP” to my screen name? Thanks, YNW!June 16, 2010 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #688181
You’ll never know.
But why are you thanking YNW.
Who is YNW?June 17, 2010 12:36 am at 12:36 am #688182
Since it was really my post that inspired the new addition underneath BP Tottys name, I respectfully request that the mods add something (complimentary, of course!) under my name. 😀June 17, 2010 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm #688183
There is a very good support group online for all kinds of medical conditions including depression.
It is called frumsupport.comJune 17, 2010 3:00 pm at 3:00 pm #688184
Hey kapusta, I thought you changed that yourself. Would be nice and fun if we would be able to play around with our names like that!June 17, 2010 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #688185
what about me??June 17, 2010 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #688186
lol couldnt think of a better one?June 17, 2010 3:59 pm at 3:59 pm #688187
Would you prefer: “vein expert”?June 17, 2010 4:00 pm at 4:00 pm #688188
nope ill stick with what i have thx;)June 17, 2010 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #688189
Hee hee hee. Thought ull do something like “no relation to real cookies..””June 21, 2010 2:55 am at 2:55 am #688190
How fun! Could I have “expat” under mine?June 21, 2010 4:24 am at 4:24 am #688191
thanks 🙂June 21, 2010 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #688192
Ha, a Mod with sucha sense of humor!June 22, 2010 1:20 am at 1:20 am #688193
Depression is assur. Mitzva gedola lehiyos bsimcha tamid. Of course there are times were aloud to be sad (at a levaya or on tisha bav or something else like that) but to be sad for no reason? Thats completely assur.June 22, 2010 4:24 am at 4:24 am #688194
Mosherose plse learn how to spell(besides that you need to learn communication skills).June 22, 2010 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #688195
“Depression is assur. Mitzva gedola lehiyos bsimcha tamid. Of course there are times were aloud to be sad (at a levaya or on tisha bav or something else like that) but to be sad for no reason? Thats completely assur.”
do you really think that when a person is depressed he/she will stop becouse its asur? deppression is a mental illness not something people can easily control.June 22, 2010 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #688196
Mosherose you really give me stuff to laugh about.. Depression is assur! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that was a statement worth writing.. I mean cmon’June 22, 2010 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #688197
I know, I’ve been trying to figure out if mosherose is for real, or if there’s someone behind that screen name just writing the most outlandish things they can think of, and then laughing behind everyone’s backs when they respond.June 22, 2010 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #688198
No, Nurse, I believe that Moshe Rose is real, and in his mind is truly convinced that what he is saying is daas torah.
He would benefit greatly from a kesher with a rov / madrich that could show him the beauty of yiddishkeit, instead of seeing things so negatively.June 22, 2010 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm #688199
The nurse_ that’s exactly it! He tries to get his attention in this way…we really should ignore his posts.June 22, 2010 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #688200
He mentioned before he is in yeshiva and has a Rosh Yeshiva.June 22, 2010 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #688201
Bp Totty, Do u really think there are people that think this way? I mean i’m sure there are, but why would they be in CR ? I think he’s a bored soul that enjoys making statements so people would respond.June 22, 2010 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #688202
I agree that it if he’s for real, he would definitely benefit greatly from speaking to a Rav. Frankly, if his posts are truly what he thinks, they scare me.June 22, 2010 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #688203
i think there are people who think this way. people who havent suffered from or seen anyone suffer from depression.June 22, 2010 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #688208
No, really. I know of sevral people who can quote a psak from < intentionaly left blank >, and instead of using this knowledge to know what requires a shai’los chocom, will apply the psak they read to a practical situation. In some cases they are right, but more often than not, they are shoving an extreme chumrah down their family’s throat.
As far as having a rosh yeshiva, you can be affiliated with a great personage, but if you don’t ask for guidance, you’re bound to miss the mark. There is NO odom godol that would have what Moshe said. Even if he “heard” this in a drasha, he is adding 1 plus 2 and coming to the natural conclusion of 3. While this works in math, it does not work in Halacha / hashkofo, unless you’re a posik or moreh horoah (niether of which I would presume MR to be).
And while it is somewhat irksome, I actually enjoy his rants. It makes me appreciate how lucky I am to have been raised to understand the need to have a rov / rebbe / rosh yeshivah / mashgiach / madreicha (Maharat was intentionaly left out!)
No, its not alwasy easy to bend my will to the answers I get. But that’s the price I choose to pay. And by seeing how off base MR is, I see its worth every bit.June 22, 2010 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #688209
A psak halacha is based upon halacha, not an “extreme chumrah”. Also, a shai’los chocom never hurts to ask, and can always be helpful.June 22, 2010 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #688211
Obviously. But in many cases, were the posik asked to rule on the situation that may SEEM to be exactly the same as the one the t’shuva was written for, there may be an extra fact or two that, if known might change the ruling altogether.
I can tell you from personal experienece, as most marrieds can, that there is no substitue for a rov, who can make a determination, one that you or I would normaly never come to the same conclusion. Its when joe / Jane average takes it upon him / her self to decide the rules, based on what seems to be corect.
Back to the insensitive comments that Moshe Rose is making, yes, it is hurtful and sometimes infuriating, but give him the benefit of the doubt. Chances are he never saw things the way we in the CR see it, and with time, he’ll soften up.
Moshe, if you’re reading this (which you no doubt will) let me quote an unknown (to me) Breslover who said, “may you be zoicha to see life in its true colors!”June 24, 2010 12:38 am at 12:38 am #688212
So if Im wrong, whats the hetter to be sad when it says mitzvah gedola lihiyos bsimcha?June 24, 2010 3:28 am at 3:28 am #688213
mosherose, if someone has the flu, are they doing something assur, because they are really spending time being sick instead of learning or doing chessed etc? Depression is not something one can control, similar to a physical illness. There is a difference between being depressed and being sad. IMO “Mitzvah gedolah…” is talking about being happy vs sad. Nothing about depression.June 24, 2010 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm #688214
“It says”. Do you know where it says? I’ll bet not. It was said as GOOD ADVICE by R” Nachmun of Breslov. Doesn’t mean it is a mitzvah per se.
The heter for a person suffering from the ILLNESS of depression, is the same heter that the person suffering from diabetes has.
As a person who suffers from depression, it really bothers me when people show such ignorance about it.
Just thank HKB”H you don’t suffer from it…..July 1, 2010 12:29 am at 12:29 am #688215
“It was said as GOOD ADVICE”
If it was said as good advice then why does it use the words mitzvah gedolah. If it meant good advice their are lots of other words he couldve used.July 1, 2010 12:31 am at 12:31 am #688216
“ILLNESS of depression”
Just becuz doctors say its an illness doesnt make it so. They also say that being a certin orientation using lashon naki is also not in yur control but born that way. We who keep the torah know differently.July 1, 2010 1:14 am at 1:14 am #688217
“It was said as GOOD ADVICE”
If it was just good advice then he wouldnt have used the words MITZVAH GEDOLAH!July 1, 2010 1:18 am at 1:18 am #688218
“ILLNESS of depression”
Just becuz doctors say something is an illness doesnt mean it is. There are others things that doctors say are born in us but we as Torah yidden who know right from wrong know are a choice.July 1, 2010 2:39 am at 2:39 am #688219
MosheRose, you are hysterical – keep these posts coming – I was laughing for like 10 minutes after seeing youre first post about depression being assur….and then everyone actually getting so worked up and RESPONDING!!!!July 1, 2010 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #688220
I think we could be a very supportive bunch but if she is really looking for a support group she should ask her therapist or call Bikur Cholim.July 2, 2010 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #688222
I have a toenail fungus that has been vexing me for 20 years. Can I get it declared assur, so it will go away?
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