Did Hillary really win the popular vote

Son what’s your point?

As of today, those states have not been removed so their votes count..

To play devils advocate

If you take away states where trump would for sure win then Hillary would have won

You’ve decided to remove some guaranteed Democrat votes, but not guaranteed Republican votes.

1. The Democrats screwed up badly. They worked on running up the popular vote totals (in “blue” states) in order to a “mandate” and ignored the “purple states.” The Republicans focused on getting their voters out where it mattered and won the “purple” states. In the American system, a party should ignore states that you are certain to win or lose, and concentrate on the “in between” states. The Democrats must have thought we were using the French system (straight popular vote).

2. Please note that Hilary did not “win” the popular vote, she only had a plurality. The difference was in third party votes, particularly for the Libertarians. If we were using the French system, a runoff would have been required.

3, Also note that one reason for not using popular vote nationally is that states have different systems, e.g. some states let felons vote, others do not. Some states allow activists to collect absentee ballots and turn them in to be counted, and others do not. Also not that many of the big cities (New York and Chicago) are infamous for voter fraud, but in an electoral college system they only affect one state, not the national system.

I can d o you one better,
Really Trumps’ election was unanimous

Just need to remove the 65,845,063 votes for Hillary , remove any votes for Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, or anybody else for that matter.

and you are left with only 62,980,160 votes that count. EVERY single one of which was cast for his glorious Emperor of Mankind, oheiv Yisorel par excellence Donald Trump

Amazing stuff!

Again my point is in the battle for winning the most diverse cross section of opinions in the country, which is sort of the rationale behind the electoral college, trump won.

No, your point was that aside from NY and CA, Trump won the popular vote. Removing them is as silly as removing the biggest red states, where they’d vote for a pickle if it had an “R” next to it.

Stop fooling your minds into thinking Trump and our politicians run the USA and each state.

HASHEM RUNS THE WORLD AND HAS A PLAN FOR EACH COUNTRY AND EACH PERSONS LIFE.

Re: Chicago… infamous voter fraud.
1960 , Cooke County, Mayor Daley & machine.
Famous infamous voter fraud indeed.

“But some are screaming, no fair!!! More people wanted her. The system is messed up!!
To that I’m responding, not true. You don’t know that more people want HER because that huge lead is actually not from people who chose HER. they just chose d”

So what? Are you suggesting that if the popular vote was what mattered then those new Yorkers and Californian s who didn’t v “choose HER. They just chose d.” Would have voted for Trump?

(I grant that it isn’t automatically true that if the popular vote mattered Hillary would have won, the campaigns would have been different, many new Yorker republicans voters who sat out would probably have voted changing the tally dramatic ly , are there more of these than Texan Democrats who sat out?) But this is not what you are saying

“Ubiq you seem to have missed the nuanced point here”

Lol there is no nuanced point, as several posters pointed out

Furthermore, why does it matter that they would vote for any Democrat. Even if true that is because their opinion allies with Democrat ic policies.
In fact if anything this is Less true regarding Trump. Many voters who stand for “family values” support the military have deep religous conviction s etc all of which Trump is the antithesis of voted for him anyway.
Do their votes not count?

You are deluding yourself if you think only Democratic voters automaticly vote democrat. But republicans strictly vote for candidate s whose policies they support.

And if if that absurd contention we’re true.
It wouldn’t matter one iota.

Kluger
“You asked why all caps?”

Cause a person’s corrupt human psychological mind (yetzer hara) IS SO POWERFUL that it fools You to think that all these avoda zaras of money, politicians etc… Run the world and your life which is 100 percent false cause we all know Hashem RUNS the world.

It takes a loud caps lock note to take it serious and let it get into your head seriously so you start to wake yourself up and realize the truth. HASHEM RUNS THE WORLD

Ok so here is the nuance you think you have:

“It’s nuanced because it looks like a win but it gets broken down to
first of all it’s not a win because that’s not what decides the contest…,”

that isnt a nuance that is something everyone with an elementary school civics lesson knows

” …and also even for what it seems to show, aka that she is popular, it’s not really showing.”

Again, 1) why do you assume that more Democrats automatically
vote for the democratic candidtae than republicans for the Republican?
and even if true, 2) why do yo uassume that they dont vote for the democrat because they like democratic policies, so yes they vote for the democrat whether it is hillary or a glass of water. they might not like HER per se, but they support her policies, which undermines your whole point ” in the battle for winning the most diverse cross section of opinions in the country, which is sort of the rationale behind the electoral college, trump won.”

It’s not necessarily that they support the policies of the glass of water. It’s more that they oppose the policies of the other guy.

As I pointed out, though you could argue that the above isn’t neccesarily true, since there is no way to know how a real popular vote would have gone, as the campaigns would be different, and perhaps more people who feel their votes don’t count, like NY republicans, would vote but that’s is not what you said

I, however, did say that, and it’s a compelling argument to not care about the popular vote.

It’s hard to account for legal votes. In NY and CA, it’s easy for an illegal immigrant to vote. At the time of the elections, quite a few house seats in CA and NY were red. The dems would never look into illegal immigrants voting.