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chaim berlin????? you gotta be kidding. why don’t you send me to the lakewood cheder?
and you know what i mean by black. not the color shirt of pants.
i told you there’s no place for me. it’s either torah temima or yeshiva of flatbush. and i’m not going to either place.
kapusta is always right. 🙂
moish: i’m with charlie on that one!
kapusta: good night!
moish, seriously, def the branches (not brooklyn), but I dont think its for the “classic” guy. (not saying that in a bad way)
i would ask around but that basically takes the decision out of my hands.
moish: i wouldn’t say torah temima!
i dunno. chofetz chaim scares me a little. i want a small place.
i’m talking about going to yeshiva and i barely keep shabbos. i must be out of my mind.
jax, i should hope not. or torah vodaas or CHAIM BERLIN or any of those other brooklyn faker black hat yeshivas.
moish: no your not! this is good, a step in the right direction!
moish,
how does asking around for info take the decision out of your hands? If you know anyone in Monsey ask if they know of Rabbi Shamai Blobstein and try to find out about his program. After you get more info you can then decide if its for you.
moish, in some of the branches they have problems with minyanim. that qualifies as small.
and
you can be out of brooklyn without being too far, they have a lot in NY, NJ that are still “out of town.”
yeah but who would even take me. i haven’t learned a word since the middle of ninth grade. i basically skipped eleventh grade altogether. and i’m up to the last year of high school. no one’s gonna want me.
Would you consider Eretz Yisroel? There are many places which will take students like you out of 11th grade.
moish, I agree with 25 on that!
maybe 72 would know more…
once you got this far, dont talk yourself out of it, you can do anything you put your mind to.
i dunno. if i ask my parents anything i’m basically creating an expectation that i’m not sure i’m willing to live up to. i don’t know if i’m really going to do this. if i involve them it’s going to be harder to back out.
i can’t ask any of my friends. that’s out of the question. and older guys or rabbis? same thing as my parents.
moish,
I agree that a typical yeshiva is not for you right now (in the future you probably will fit right in) but from what I’ve heard Rabbi Blobstein’s program is precisely for guys like you. I’m not 100% sure but I think so.
what if you mention it to your parents as a “probably not but possibly”? they’ll know at some point… 😉
moish: areivim would have some good suggestions, wait till tomorrow! & this is good!
If areivim has not been here in a bit, what makes you so sure they’ll show tomorrow?
how about Rabbi wallerstein’s yeshiva? anyone know anything about it?!
kapusta, my parents aren’t stupid.
and charlie, maybe.
39: he got upset at a post, but he was reading from the posts he posted last week!
Jax, the name rings a bell, maybe…
I’m really outta here now, I hope we could continue this party with everyone again tomorrow night.
If you say so. Could have gone on vacation and used that as a cover. Or might have left for good
39, you know anywhere in israel? i feel like they’re all either mizrachi or yeshivish.
i can’t even imagine learning. i think i forgot how to. it’s really been forever and i’m way behind. this is so depressing.
I know a few places quite well. However, that discussion would probably be better suited through e-mail.
moish, its not about your parents being stupid or not, if you tell them you’re thinking about it, they think “maybe” if you tell them, possibly, the idea seems much more in its planning stages.
39, do you know something we dont?
does that mean i should check my email? 😉
I know that when people stop posting, you can’t count on them to suddenly appear when you want them too.
There have been many people who have taken breaks from the CR of late.
kapusta, if i tell my parents that i guarantee you within a day i will have filled out four applications and be on my way to an interview. at least that’s the way my mother would take it. i’m sure it’s killing her the way i am and she’s dying for me to be like everyone else. she doesn’t care how or why.
so maybe not your mother, just your father. any cousins you could talk to?
moish: maybe talk to your father about it!
wtg moish!!! welcome back! was this israel which got you to make this choice?
it’s still pressure. i hate to let him down. he’s much more chilled than my mom but still. and male cousins? i don’t know how much they’ll know.
i told you, talking to people creates an unwanted pressure. at least if i talk here i could just disappear for a little while if it gets too much. with family and friends i can’t do that as easily.
oh and who gets the prize for post #3000??
congrats to the one who got it!!
check your email moish
yeah i’m still logged in on yahoo, mod.
what choice, goldie? i didn’t think i made any choices or decisions here.
moish: you came to this point that your thinking about a yeshiva, you should really act on it & get started with it tomorrow! you say your fed up with the way things are, so take the jump & go for it! it will be tough, but deep down you know it’s the right & correct decision! good luck bro!
you have any idea how tough it would be? i don’t even want to start imagining. in a way it’s harder than starting from scratch.
moish: but there are things that you just instinctively know, that you’ll see you didn’t forget!
“55: bowl of VIP cholent
39: some U.K. tea”
Scary how much you sound like me!
Moish01 there are many yeshivas which are not heavy duty nor black hatted nor pressurised. Have you taken a look at something like Ohr Somaech in Jerusalem. There is very little pressure put onto boys. You attend shiurim on your level when you want and they also offer Rabbeim who you can talk to – all educated men who understand exactly your dilemas.
They also offer summer learning programmes for those who want to study but also want to do a stint in yeshiva. This may be an idea for you to look at
Moish, the yetzer hara works in interesting ways. You will hear things such as:
“it is too hard”
“who are you trying to fool”
“you will only end up disappointing people”
This is only the yetzer hara talking. I give you a bracha that you should be able to defeat this horrible creature. And may Hashem guide you in making the correct decision here. We care about you and we daven for you (as well as the other CR members).
Moish- Yeshiva Chofetz chaim has many many branches all over the US and Canada. I really think that there would be a branch that is good for you. Many of the branches have high schools that are not at all “yeshivish” kids, many of the kids are more “modern”. If you would like more info on any of the branches (Manalapan,St.Louis,Monsey,Miami,milwaukeeWits,LA,Vancouver,Rochester,Brooklyn,Dallas,Roslyn etc), I emailed mod 42 with my email info so email him and he will give you my email.
How about Chedvas Torah in Jerusalem???
moish- (you’re putting yourself and the CR on an emotional rollercoaster here.)
JayMatt is right, your yetzer hara is doing a great job; and I can’t blame you for listening to him- he’s got years of experience on his side.
Beginnings are tough moish… change is even tougher. It takes lots of courage to switch direction- which is what you’re contemplating now. I can’t tell you “jump into it” if you don’t feel ready. But it does sound like you need this change- desperately. You can talk yourself into it or out of it.
It’s perfectly natural to feel this way. But as you talk it out and get used to the idea, the fear should subside a little. Maybe you should talk it over first with a Rabbi/mentor. I highly doubt they’d put extra pressure on you- especially seeing that you’re very skeptical to begin with. They won’t jump on you. A true mentor will only offer guidance and advice and you will decide for yourself.
At a certain point I’m sure you’ll come to the realization that you do want someone older than yourself involved in such a big decision- especially if it includes learning out of town. But take it slowly- there’s no deadline. Don’t panic. But keep in mind you really can’t go anywhere with this unless you speak openly about it. You can work your way in- mentor… Rabbi… cousin… father… maybe your mother. You will become more comfortable- this idea is really not strange at all.
PS: moish- you grossly underestimate your abilities. You’re far far far from starting from scratch. You’re at a major advantage here- you have all the knowledge necessary to move forward, it just needs to be unpacked! With the right guidance and tools (yeshiva, Rabbeim, schedule, surroundings, hashkofa, friends etc.) you can take all your stored away knowledge out and to the next level. Hatzlocha! Hatzlocha!
areivimzehlazeh: nice stuff there…
I like that line- makes me realise what a great nation we are- quite literally brothers and sisters…
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