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I’m wondering how the Rabbonim and Gedoilim have not spoken out at all about this issue. Not only that, but many of them seem to be joining in this trend. I understand the idea that for elderly people, or people who aren’t physically well or capable of making. Pesach, going to a hotel is an absolute necessity. But how does one explain the proliferation of such droves of Frum people packing up, going to a hotel, spending many thousand per person, tens of thousands per family, just because it’s easier not to make Pesach at home? How will the you get generation even know HOW TO make. Pesach if they never see their parents do it? Are we not creating a generation of spoiled children? Is this what Hashem had in mind for how He wants His children to “prepare” for Pesach ( by PACKING???) How many poor people could be fed by all that money people are shelling out to these exorbitant hotels? What about the chinuch aspect of it? How will the next generation know how to make Pesach, especially the kollel learners who won’t have enough money to treat THEIR kids to a hotel? What has become of the old fashioned way of being home with family and guests for Pesach?
I’m guessing you’re home for Pesach.
I dont go to Hotel, however for many people especially older ones, Peseach has become a miserable holiday. Between cooking and cleaning, grandma is pooped out and cant enjoy yom tov with family. So people just say, Ill just pay the money and be done. grandma can pay some money and enjoy time with family. Perhaps is people didnt get so OCD over Pesach, people would not go
BTW one could say the same thing about any “Luxury” why drive a lexus, why not drive a 1995 Ford station wagon and give the money to Tzedakah.
Why go on vacation anywhere, just stay home and give the money to Tzdekah for the trip.
why eat out. Our ancestors never ate out, eat simply at home and give the rest away
I’m surprised the first anti hotel rant didn’t appear until Rosh Chodesh.
Francorachel3,
Are we not creating a generation of spoiled children?
I see it in almost the exact opposite way. If a family has the means to pay for a lavish vacation that their kids will love, why not use those funds to elevate their joy of Yom Tov?
Just for the record, we stay home for Pesach every year.
Don’t worry too much what other households do be a trendsetter and always stay home.
Is this what Hashem had in mind for how He wants His children to “prepare” for Pesach ( by PACKING???)
yes!
the ananei hakavod was central air conditioning, the mann spoiled the next day just like hotels need to serve new food every meal…..
so we go to hotel l’zeicher yetzias mitzrayim
And you answeres your own question.
The rabanim dont say anything because if people need it, they might not want to do it because the rabanim said no.
Even though they should go!
I wonder how many families that pay to go away are paying full tuition at their kids’ schools?
Bnei Yisroel packed and went away for their first Pesach! Why should this generation be different from that one? (I stay home every year).
Perhaps it is becauze they disagree with your rant.
I feel like I remember this exact post going up a year or two back. Possibly by the same person even. I’m pretty sure I responded then so I won’t bother now.
Or not- in my cursory check I couldn’t find what I thought I remembered- so while I feel bad to potentially be choshed bekesheirim, I think we can all agree that this topic is basically flogging a dead horse.
Takahmamash: Ooh! Ooh! Mine!
This year (because I’m in sem) will be my first year not at a hotel on Pesach and I’ve both heard every stereotype and observed each one broken at some point. I won’t ask why you have granite countertops (ours are Formica) or Florida vacations (never been) if you won’t ask why my grandparents decided to spend a lifetime’s hard earned money on (in part, after tzedaka and health care) giving themselves the pleasure of celebrating Pesach with the whole mishpacha in a way we all enjoy.
(The above is not exclusively addressed to TM, just BTW.)
I am blessed with the strength, finances and wonderful family to make Pesach in my own beautiful home.
I would like to take my head out of my cabinets just long enough to ask that whoever starts an anti-Pesach-hotel rant, and anti-sheitel rant, an anti-shadchan rant, an anti-yeshiva-tuition rant, an anti-black-hat rant, or any anti rant at all, please take the time to simultaneously start an Ahavas Yisroel rant.
Wow, I posted on way too many of those threads…
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I can’t see myself going to a hotel for Pesach (even if I had the money, which I don’t). For me, Pesach is all about spending it with family at home (or at a relative’s home). I just can’t see making a Seder in a hotel dining room.
That being said, I understand that that’s just my preference. Other people may have different sensibilities than I do and I do not begrudge anyone actually does go away for Pesach (whether because they feel they need it or just want it).
And for those who rant about all the money spent, keep in mind that this is the primary parnassah for many people. If you were to ban it for all (or even for all but the elderly, infirm, etc.), then you’d be causing a major loss of parnassah for a lot of people.
The Wolf
wolf,
don’t worry they thought of this they’ll think of something else
Coffee- I’m going to assume that you’re trolling
that post was actually serious, the first one was a troll
wolf: i think there is a difference between begrudging someone and saying as a society we should discourage a certain type of behavior, especially when this might lead to social pressure for others. So while its wrong to say so and so spent thousands per person to go to a hotel for pesach, it’s not wrong to say society as a whole is wrong for it. in fact i have heard several robbonim say some pretty bad things about going to hotels for pesach.
It would make me very happy if people specified the ‘several rabbonim’ they keep quoting by name!
I don’t go away ( except for five years 15 years ago );and I fail to see what the problem is. Newbee, have you ever actually gone to a hotel? Did you go to one and have a bad experienc? Explain why it’s “bad for society”
I dont want to post personal information and this is not psak haalcha, but I can tell you I personally heard a certain rov say he would pay for an ad in the jewish paper saying “stay home for pesach!” instead of “come to this hotel for pesach!”
The ‘several rabbonim’. What, you mean you don’t know them? They’re the ones who apparently who say it’s ossur to vaccinate, and permit children’s internet use in the name of ‘worldliness’, the same rabbonim who say you mustn’t read Harry Potter because it’s kishuf, and that you mustn’t give any money to one who may spend it on cigarettes.
Those rabbonim.
It’s not me saying this, i heard it from my rabbi, that some, though not all hotels, are too materialistic. additionally, it puts strain on families to earn more money. My rabbi recently gave a shiur on 5 bad habbits of orthodox jews. and spending too much money on food and simchas was on the top of the list.
Spending money on simchas – that is something that Rabbanim have addressed; it sets standards that are increasingly difficult to follow. Spending money on food? I don’t see why that would hit the list at all, never mind the top.
But hotels for Pesach? This doesn’t set standards, for dozens of people will be proud to announce they don’t want to go away for Pesach; they ENJOY making Pesach at home, etc. etc. It isn’t embarrassing in any way not to be in a hotel for Pesach.
What could be wrong with it enough to ban? And what does it have to do with your ‘rabbis’ food and simchas? Surely they are a different problem?
yekke2: well he was actually talking about loud music at simchas and food was number one on the list. He said that it used to be people had one type of fish for gefilta fish a one side dish some chicken and meat. Now people need 3 types of gefilta fish, 3 side dishes etc. He said that people should have it buffe style instead of leave food on the table to avoid over eating, and that having to buy such food causes lots of extra stress on the family. Do these pesach hotels charge lots of money and offer fancy expensive food?
No one is banning anything. Perhaps they are different problems. Perhaps often they are not related. But maybe sometimes they are related.
newbee what are the 5 bad habits your rav gave?
Newbee so based an anonymous rov who has “heard” stuff you are making sweeping generalizations. My experiences at hotels were wonderful but I stopped because it became too expensive. There was no societal pressure to either start or stop going. Please stop elevating things you dislike ( which you have a right to dislike ) to societal issues. If your rov doesn’t like the practice, follow his psak , buy him his ad and leave the rest of us alone
lesschumras: “buy him his ad and leave the rest of us alone”.
Ouch.
zahav: Well this Rabbi is different than the Rabbi who made the pesach ad joke but they were excess food, loud music at simchas, alcohol availability for children, teens and for people who cant handle it, lack of carbon monoxide alarms, lack of proper fire safety (and yes he said this way before the recent fire tragedy in Brooklyn took place).
and maybe this rav was addressing his kehilla, whose members should stop projecting those shortcomings on everyone else and instead realize their rav was speaking to them about themselves.
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