Grammar Is Making a Comeback

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  • March 3, 2013 8:17 pm at 8:17 pm #934592
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    It’s like scratching an itch!!

    self-serving

    March 4, 2013 12:10 am at 12:10 am #934593
    shnitzy
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    Pffffft. ha!

    March 4, 2013 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm #934594
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Haifagirl,

    On a different thread, I wrote:

    “The more important question to ask, though, is whether there are, TODAY (because there are too many variables to fairly compare different eras), a higher percentage of unmarried men and women among the group that uses the shidduch system, or among the group which uses self service.”

    Was the proper word “among”, or “amongst”?

    Also, should the comma have been placed before or after the parentheses?

    March 4, 2013 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #934595
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Also, I switched between “that” and “which”. Which one is correct?

    March 4, 2013 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #934596
    Toi
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    DY- please. stop.

    March 4, 2013 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #934597
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Toi, I’m not correcting your grammar (or anyone else’s) and I’m not disrupting a discussion. This is a grammar thread.

    March 4, 2013 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #934598
    haifagirl
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    On a different thread, I wrote:

    “The more important question to ask, though, is whether there are, TODAY (because there are too many variables to fairly compare different eras), a higher percentage of unmarried men and women among the group that uses the shidduch system, or among the group which uses self service.”

    Was the proper word “among”, or “amongst”?

    Also, should the comma have been placed before or after the parentheses?

    Also, I switched between “that” and “which”. Which one is correct?

    1) Both “among” and “amongst” would be correct, but “amongst” is considered archaic.

    2) The comma was in exactly the right place.

    3) “That” would be the proper choice in both cases. If whatever follows can be discarded, use “which.”

    Take the following example:

    The group of men and women that use the shidduch system, which is usually used by charedim, may or may not have more successful marriages.

    That sentence still makes sense if we discard the “which” part:

    The group of men and women that use the shidduch system may or may not have more successful marriages.

    We can’t discard “that use the shidduch system.”

    Here’s a tip: “which” usually is associated with commas.

    March 4, 2013 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #934599
    shnitzy
    Member

    I’m impressed.

    Haifagirl, have you discovered it yet?!

    March 4, 2013 7:52 pm at 7:52 pm #934600
    wanderingchana
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    Wouldn’t it be “the group that uses”, rather “the group that use”?

    March 4, 2013 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #934601
    shnitzy
    Member

    I see that. Or “the groups”.

    Sheesh, you’re rubbing off on me…

    March 4, 2013 11:19 pm at 11:19 pm #934602
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Thanks, haifagirl.

    March 5, 2013 1:09 am at 1:09 am #934603
    shnitzy
    Member

    Hey! DY, we helped too!!!

    March 5, 2013 9:37 am at 9:37 am #934604
    haifagirl
    Participant

    Wouldn’t it be “the group that uses”, rather “the group that use”?

    You’re right. I guess I’ve been watching too much BBC lately. “The group that use” is correct in the United Kingdom. “The group that uses” is correct in the United States.

    March 5, 2013 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #934605
    wanderingchana
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    “Wouldn’t it be “the group that uses”, rather “the group that use”?”

    *rather than (correcting my own typo)

    Why would it be right in the UK? One group uses, two groups use.

    Shnitzy +1 🙂

    March 5, 2013 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #934606
    haifagirl
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    In the UK collective nouns are considered plural. In the US they are consider singular.

    Therefore, in the US a family (one unit) goes on a picnic, while in the UK a family (several people) go on a picnic.

    March 5, 2013 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #934607
    haifagirl
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    There’s a reason why knowledge of grammar is important.

    The following appeared in an article on YWN:

    According to that sentence, the doctors died a day later.

    March 5, 2013 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #934608
    shnitzy
    Member

    Ouch. Point taken. But remember, there’s a way to do it!

    Be POLITE, POLITE, POLITE, POLITE, POLITE and even more POLITE.

    March 5, 2013 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #934609
    Toi
    Participant

    nebach.

    March 6, 2013 5:15 am at 5:15 am #934610
    oomis
    Participant

    I am also strongly in favor of good grammar usage. My parents O”H, were very diligent about teaching us to speak properly. To this day, when I knock on the door and someone says, “Who is it?” I (most often) answer, “It’s I.” Old habits die hard (or hardly, but then THAT would sound as if it were actually the opposite of its meaning).

    March 6, 2013 5:21 am at 5:21 am #934611
    shnitzy
    Member

    haha.

    March 6, 2013 5:46 am at 5:46 am #934612
    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    Thanks for a positive thread, haifagirl.

    March 6, 2013 6:11 am at 6:11 am #934613
    shnitzy
    Member

    You’re welcome from the rest of us.

    (We maintain the positivity too!)

    March 6, 2013 9:00 am at 9:00 am #934614
    haifagirl
    Participant

    You’re welcome.

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