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  • #611556
    popa_bar_abba
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    This is a very serious problem.

    I send my son to a very fine out of town yeshiva, which teaches the proper appropriate hashkafos. But tonight I got some astounding and very dismaying news.

    It seems the boys are set up with families to eat on shabbos. And my son was sent to eat at the home of a young family, where the husband learned in yeshiva for many years and is now a baal habos!!!

    This is astounding to me! What kind of lesson does this teach the bachurim? That a person can learn and be erlich–and work? In a regular job doing all sorts of narishkeit like investments and business? How could they show this to my son?

    To my ehriliche temimusdike son!!

    #1001204

    I thought you were gonna say that you found out he had helped his wife set the table

    #1001205

    That’s why you should never send your son out of town.

    #1001206
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    The menahel agreed with me. He said from now on my son will be able to eat in yeshiva by himself.

    #1001207
    πŸ‘‘RebYidd23
    Participant

    It’s like saying that a frum guy’s allowed to breathe!

    #1001208
    funnybone
    Participant

    A young family, where the husband learned for many years?????

    #1001209
    day by day
    Member

    The bigger question is …what seminary did his wife go to?

    #1001210
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Funnybone: when you’re my age, they are still considered young. (And you’re considered a toddler)

    #1001211
    apushatayid
    Participant

    a yeshiva bachur taking out time from the beis medrash to eat, what kind of gashmius is he into?

    #1001212
    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    At least he didn’t introduce your son to drinking!

    #1001213
    The little I know
    Participant

    I’m straining to avoid spraining my tongue which is stuck deep in my cheek.

    Actually, this bochur is being taught quite a valuable lesson. This “baal haboss” now has to use his income to feed others. If had stayed in yeshiva, he would be the one sponging off others, or having his parents/in-laws paying his expenses.

    There is a widely known and oft used quite offensive line by yeshivos who send their talmidim (of all ages) to collect tzedokoh for them, “We’re being mechanech these children on the mitzvah of tzedokoh.” The cognitive flaw is that true chinuch should be to GIVE, not to TAKE.

    To relate to the scenario posed in the OP, the bochur is being trained to take, and exposed to the poor fortune of the bloke that left the walls of the beis hamedrash who now has to give. Now take that to its logical conclusion.

    #1001214
    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    I totally don’t get this thread…

    #1001215
    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    I totally don’t get this thread…

    popa_bar_abba

    Incorrigible; semi-retarded; eccentric; perhaps a man; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    #1001216

    How many tongues can fit in one cheek?

    #1001217

    I totally don’t get this thread…

    popa_bar_abba

    Incorrigible; semi-retarded; eccentric; perhaps a man; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    #1001218
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Some of you seem to have a very “entitled” attitude. Who says you are entitled to get this thread?

    You shouldn’t be surprised if people respond to you accordingly.

    #1001219
    charliehall
    Participant

    “That a person can learn and be erlich–and work?”

    Rambam wrote that you can learn and be erlich ONLY if you work.

    #1001220
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Rambam wrote that you can learn and be erlich ONLY if you work.

    Oddly, I’ve never heard this Rambam applied to someone who worked but didn’t learn.

    #1001221
    commonsense
    Participant

    Charlie, I believe this thread is meant to taken with a whole container of salt, never mind a grain.

    #1001222

    Rambam wrote that you can learn and be erlich ONLY if you work.

    Oddly, for years, the Ramba”m only learned and didn’t work.

    #1001223

    Commonsense, you think so?

    #1001224
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Nisht nisht. This thread IS the salt for all my other threads.

    #1001225

    At least he didn’t introduce your son to drinking!

    No, he learned that at home.

    #1001226

    This thread IS the salt for all my other threads.

    Your other threads were salty enough without this one.

    #1001227
    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    I’d rather kids get bad influences in yeshiva then from the street.

    #1001228

    Torah613, I don’t know exactly what you mean by that, or whether you mean that tongue in cheek.

    #1001229
    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    1. Obviously this Yeshiva is not “very fine.”

    2. The full tuition that all the other parents pay doesn’t provide enough to pay for shabbos meals?

    3. Forget the working guy aspect, what about the kashrus? Is it yayin nesech?

    4. How can the Yeshiva be so negligent so as not to provide the oversight that I as a parent always provide? My children at home are never exposed to anything I don’t monitor. Especially the teenagers.

    5. My erliche tmimusdike son came home smelling like smoke the other week. Are the bal habatim there during the week too and exposing him to smoking? Is it shayich? Maybe I should be choshesh that the bal habos started him smoking on shabbos! Oy my kid’s at risk now! I need to call Dr. Twersky and Rabbi Bender ASAP.

    #1001230
    oomis
    Participant

    “Oddly, for years, the Ramba”m only learned and didn’t work.”

    Until the day his mother was finally able to talk proudly about “My son, the Doctor!” πŸ™‚

    And he STILL managed to make time to learn, and even write Seforim! What a concept!

    #1001231
    WIY
    Member

    Popa

    I agree I think if it’s that type of Yeshiva then the boys should eat by Rabbonim and Kollel yungerleit who can afford it..

    #1001232
    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    Torah613, I don’t know exactly what you mean by that, or whether you mean that tongue in cheek.

    Any negative influences within Yeshiva, are just not going to be as bad as the influences outside.

    edited

    #1001233

    T613, that’s generally true, but OTOH the negative influences from within (as relatively minor as they may be) are probably more likely to be absorbed.

    I’m not sure if I addressed your original (pre-edited) comment properly.

    #1001234
    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    That’s true, DY. I intended to write the edited the first time.

    #1001235

    What was edited out (in general terms, so that it doesn’t get edited again)?

    #1001236
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    You see I was right. They ate there again and he brought up Ushpizin, which last I checked is a movie!

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    #1001237

    Ushpizin, which last I checked is a movie!

    You’re not up to date. It’s since become a visit from our Avos to the succah.

    #1001238
    Health
    Participant

    Hey PBA,

    The last time we spoke in the CR you were a Bachur and now you have a teen, what gives?

    #1001239
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Health, glad to have you back. My how time has flown by

    #1001240
    yaakov doe
    Participant

    Popa – That kid really grew up quickly!

    #1001242
    oyyoyyoy
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    #whykidsgooff

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