Kohen marrying a half jew????????/

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  • #599002
    MichaelC
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    can a Kohen marry a woman with a Jewish mother, but a non Jewish farther?

    #803664
    Toi
    Participant

    yes.

    #803665
    flowers
    Participant

    There is no such thing as a “half Jew”. Either a person is Jewish or not Jewish. Jewish is one who is born to a Jewish mother or converted according to Jewish law.

    Having a non Jewish father doesn’t disqualify a girl who is Jewish from birth from marrying a Kohen.

    #803666

    That’s not a half Jew that’s a whole Jew.

    #803667
    bombmaniac
    Participant

    there is no such thing as a half jew

    #803668

    isnt there something about an eved canaani who is owned in partnership and one partner gives him freedom and he has a bris, etc. ?

    #803671
    benignuman
    Participant

    A Kohen is not allowed to marry the child of a non-jewish father. It is a machlokes rishonim but we pasken that it is assur. V’im nissas lo teitzei.

    #803672
    yeshivahman
    Member

    A Kohen may not marry someone who is born from a non-jewish father (shu”a eh”e 7) For all other dinim s/he is considered fully jewish (according to most rishonim look Tosafos Yevamos 16:, 22, Kiddushin 77:, Marshal Marsha).

    #803673

    Someone with a Jewish mother and a non-Jewish father is fully Jewish. Someone with a non-Jewish mother and a Jewish father is fully non-Jewish. There’s no such thing as a half-Jew.

    #803674
    charliehall
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    “isnt there something about an eved canaani who is owned in partnership and one partner gives him freedom and he has a bris, etc. ?”

    An Eved Canaani is in fact a sort of half-Jew, as he is chiyev in some commandments. He can’t marry a Jew unless he is freed. IIRC, in the case of an EC who is owned by more than one Jew, and for whom one of the Jewish owners has freed the EC from that part-owner’s bondage, we force the other Jewish owners to complete the liberation from bondage.

    After freedom, EC becomes a full fledged convert, with no need for a beit din, and no need for formal acceptance of the mitzvot. I have seen some suggest that this is a way around the current “conversion controversy”.

    #803675
    Toi
    Participant

    why not shes not a chullul. at worst shes pogum. why cant she?

    #803676
    MichaelC
    Member

    Thank you ‘yeshivahman’

    #803677
    ny100k
    Participant

    Coming to a Yeshiva World forum for halachic advice on such an important issue is really sad.

    #803678
    yeshivahman
    Member

    Toi. she is a pogum L’kehuna which forbids a Kohen from marrying. Yevamos 45. (see also Rif and Ramban)

    #803679

    what is really sad is holier than thou posters who have to interrupt every Halachic discussion with comments about how the discussion is not appropriate.

    ny100k: do you see anything here other than a discussion of Halacha?

    can you please quote the relevant passage from the above posts asking for a psak or even advice!?

    do you ever discuss Torah or Halachah matters with your friends, or only with Poskim and Rabbaim?

    #803680
    midwesterner
    Participant

    With all due respect, #80, please look at the OP. “can a Kohen marry a woman with a Jewish mother, but a non Jewish farther?” Someone was asking for something there!

    Chatzi eved chatzi benchorin was a machlokes BS vs BH. BH said oved es rabo yom echad v’es atzmo yom echad. BS said tikantem es rabo, v;es atzmo lo tikantem. Ela Kofin es rabo v’oseh oso ben chorin, v’kosev lo shtar al chatzi damav. The it says that Chazru Bais Hillel l’horos k’veis Shamai. Should be Gittin 41-ish. Big sugya in BB 13 with a massive tosfos.

    #803681

    Someone was asking for something there!

    yes michael was asking an interesting question as he always does, you thought he was asking us to give him a psak regarding this question being nogayah to him?

    you assumed he is a Kohen and is planning to marry a Jew with a goy father and came here for our psak din?

    #803682

    while that is possible by a very large stretch of the imagination, do you think that highly unlikely possibility warrants a condescending comment by a fellow poster as to how sad this discussion and everyone who has participated in it is?

    #803683
    Toi
    Participant

    oy vey!! elul!!

    #803684

    ny100k said: “Coming to a Yeshiva World forum for halachic advice on such an important issue is really sad.”

    This is one of those questions that anyone can answer. It’s like asking, “Are you allowed to eat a chicken-and-cheese sandwich?” (Assuming you’re not starving to death)

    #803685
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Mod 80: Your case is a 3/4 Jew. A regular eved knaani is a half Jew.

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