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August 3, 2014 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #613325IvduEsHashemBsimchaParticipant
This is going to be weird.
When people are practicing davening or saying part of a passuk, they look for a substitute fo the shem hashem. They’ll say either “hashem” or “adoshem” (considered disrespectful). Since we shouldn’t use “adoshem”, that leaves us with “Hashem”, which has only two syllables as opposed to the real shem hashem which has three, making it sound strange. What’s a person to do?
My suggestion is to use the word “kadonag”, which means “like melting wax”. It sounds very similar to Hashem’s , and is thrwe syllables.
What does the esteemed coffeeroom think?
August 3, 2014 10:01 pm at 10:01 pm #1026039IvduEsHashemBsimchaParticipantI forgot to mention where I took “kadonag” from: it’s mentioned in kabolas shabbos.
August 3, 2014 10:04 pm at 10:04 pm #1026040popa_bar_abbaParticipantAllah?
August 3, 2014 10:38 pm at 10:38 pm #1026041ari-freeParticipantHavaya? (as in shem havaya)
August 3, 2014 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #1026042oomisParticipantNah. Interesting try, though.
August 3, 2014 11:15 pm at 11:15 pm #1026043👑RebYidd23ParticipantFirst stop using the word substitute.
August 4, 2014 1:33 am at 1:33 am #1026044Menachem MelamedParticipantI don’t think that it is respectful to substitute with a word that means “melting wax”.
August 4, 2014 1:46 am at 1:46 am #1026045popa_bar_abbaParticipantHaBaal has three syllables.
August 4, 2014 1:46 am at 1:46 am #1026046popa_bar_abbaParticipantSo does Markulis
August 4, 2014 5:42 am at 5:42 am #1026047IvduEsHashemBsimchaParticipantOk, ok so I admit it’s a bad idea.
Off topic question: why do some people write “hash-m”? It’s not Hashem’s real name, so why can’t it be written out?
August 4, 2014 3:00 pm at 3:00 pm #1026048HaLeiViParticipantPopa, that’s so unoriginal. Yehoyakum was original.
August 4, 2014 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm #1026049Sam2ParticipantIvdu: I would assume the S’vara is that once it’s meant as a replacement for Shem Hashem it gets some Kedushah. It’s an awful S’vara and a foolish Chumra with no basis. (And if you take it to it’s logical conclusion, once you turn “Hash-m” into something Kodesh you’d have to block out another letter and so on.)
August 4, 2014 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm #1026050mghanooniMemberThe Chazan at my synagogue uses ‘Amonai’
August 4, 2014 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm #1026051👑RebYidd23ParticipantThen it’s -.
August 4, 2014 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #1026052on the ballParticipantAdomoy?
Anyway why is Adoshem not respectful?
August 4, 2014 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #1026053Sam2ParticipantOTB: I’ve always wondered about that. The Kitzur says it’s not respectful. I haven’t seen a reason why or many others who say so (other than later Poskim who are quoting the Kitzur) but I haven’t seen anyone who explicitly disagrees either.
August 4, 2014 6:56 pm at 6:56 pm #1026054IvduEsHashemBsimchaParticipantAs far as I understand, the reason is because it is a distortion of Hashem’s name, starting off as the shem hashem and ending in “shem”. It’s not considered respectful to alter hashem’s real name.
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