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    Shopping613 🌠
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    Nechama Cohen has a new single out!!! and it’s amazing!!!

    Google on the edge of prayer necha,a cohen

    #1049541
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    There’s a shidduch crisis; I don’t think anyone is looking for a new single.

    #1049542
    Letakein Girl
    Participant

    Necham’s song is amazing!!!!!! I’m listening to it for the fifth time in a row as I’m typing. Feels like nechama transcribed my thoughts and put a melody to it. I wanna hug her. 🙂

    im smiling a real smile for the first time today.

    Dunno if you’re reading this, Nechama, but I hafta say: THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

    #1049543
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Could someone here please sing it to their brother, then have said brother record it, then post it here for the menfolk?

    #1049544
    business1
    Participant

    @PBA, here are the lyrics

    The spirit inside of me

    Is hanging by a thread

    So im asking you please G-d

    Tell me when this will end

    Bruised and breaking

    My heart is aching to be free

    Begging you for the strength i have left

    To help me

    Chorus:

    Im standing here on the edge of prayer

    Trying not to look down as im waiting

    Wont you come a little closer now

    Promise me things will turn around

    Once I prayed

    all theres left to do

    Is wait patiently for you to save me

    From falling down

    Ill keep my ground on the edge of prayer

    Im all alone here in my world

    Of endless tears to hide

    Luckily ive got someone

    whos always on my side

    Through it all

    Every single painful fall

    Knowing you’re with me

    keeps me standing tall

    Chorus

    Theres only one place to turn

    And I know inside its true

    Bring us home

    I cant bear to be so far away from you

    Standing up here with so much to fear

    The world lays down below

    I need you with me faithfully

    I cant do this on my own

    Im standing here on the edge of prayer

    Looking at the heavens as im waiting

    I could feel you coming closer now

    Telling me things will turn around

    Once I prayed all theres left to do

    Is change the way I view the world

    Stop the pain from holding me down

    Ill keep my ground on the edge of prayer

    #1049545
    Randomex
    Member

    Business1: Thank you! (Also, apostrophes (‘) are a useful part of English. You should learn about them sometime!) But…

    Lyrics may not be as important to a song as melody, expression, quality of voice, tonal quality, arrangement, rhythm, or even overall sound. So I’m afraid that while lyrics are certainly not batel, they may well be tafel (in English – the lyrics are certainly not irrelevant, but they may well be secondary).

    I also wish to note that teenagers may more easily project themselves into a song (and they don’t “question” it either),

    often causing them to feel better and/or more strongly about them than an adult might. They also have less listening experience and

    therefore generally less astute judgment of musical quality (though I must admit that will always remain subjective to some extent, just as listening to music is a subjective experience).

    I’ve got issues with some of these lyrics. As a quote I love goes:

    I don’t judge you on your parenting skills, fashion sense, or political beliefs.

    I judge you on your grammar, spelling, and sentence structure.

    So, let’s go!

    Begging you for the strength I have left

    is nonsensical. Oops (I make mistakes too) – Actually,

    Begging you for the strength I have left to help me

    is incorrect usage (I think). Begging X for Y to help me… no.

    “That the strength I have left help me” would be correct (I think).

    Once I prayed

    I don’t know if it’s you or her, but that

    should’ve been “once I’ve prayed.”

    “Once I prayed” means that you prayed once in the past –

    “once I’ve prayed” means “after I have prayed.”

    “always by my side”

    would make a better contrast with

    all alone here in my world

    than “always on my side”

    The world lays down below

    Again, I don’t know if it’s you or her,

    but that should’ve been “lies down”.

    I wasn’t perfectly sure, but Wiktionary confirmed

    that “lay” does not mean “is in a position”

    but “puts something in a position.”

    The world is being in a position, so lies is the correct word.

    I need you with me faithfully

    As an adverb, faithfully needs a verb to modify;

    Here, it has none. I think “faithful” would work, though.)

    I could feel you coming closer now

    Once again, I don’t know if it’s you or her, but that

    should’ve been “I can feel.” “Could” refers to something that might happen in the future – the tense of all the preceding words

    in the stanza is the the present (Xing).

    ((Once I prayed all theres left to do

    Again, “I’ve”(you or her, IDK).))

    Stop the pain from holding me down

    Not technically incorrect, but the lyrics close to the phrase

    “edge of prayer” whenever it appears up to this point use the metaphor of being on a high place, scared of falling, which doesn’t go well with “stop[…] holding me down,” so I found

    this lyric jarring.

    Now, before anyone tells me that she writes her own lyrics and she’s just a teenage girl (IDK, W/E), that’s no excuse for

    not having someone who knows a thing or two more about language

    go over the lyrics with you (unless they refuse to do it without being given a co-writing credit and/or a share of the royalties, but that seems unlikely).

    #1049546
    business1
    Participant

    @randomex, you’re right about apostrophes but when I type from my phone it can get annoying. I’ll try to use them more from now on.

    #1049548
    Randomex
    Member

    The official lyrics (lines broken up as they are in the lyric video, and with the official number of Hs in the “Oh”s) [Built on text supplied by business1]:

    The spirit inside of me

    Is hanging on by a thread

    So I’m asking you please G-d

    Tell me when this will end

    Bruised and breaking

    My heart is aching to be free

    Begging you with all the strength

    I have left to help me

    [Chorus]

    I’m standing here

    On the edge of prayer

    Trying not to look down

    As I’m waiting

    Won’t you come a little closer

    Now

    Promise me

    Things will turn around

    Once I prayed

    All there’s left to do

    Is wait

    Patiently for you to save me

    From falling down

    I’ll keep my ground

    On the edge of prayer

    I’m all alone here

    In my world

    Of endless tears to hide

    Luckily I’ve got someone

    Who’s always on my side

    Through it all

    Every single painful fall

    Knowing you’re with me

    Keeps me standing tall (tall, tall)

    [Chorus]

    I’m standing here

    On the edge of prayer

    Trying not to look down

    As I’m waiting

    Won’t you come a little closer

    Now

    Promise me

    Things will turn around

    Once I prayed

    All there’s left to do

    Is wait

    Patiently for you to save me

    From falling down

    I’ll keep my ground

    On the edge of prayer

    There’s only one place to turn

    And I know

    Inside it’s true (ohhhhhh, ohhhhhhhhh)

    Bring us home

    I can’t bear to be

    So far away from

    You

    (ohhhh, ohhhhhh)

    Standing up here with so much to fear

    The world lays down below

    I need you with me

    Faithfully

    I can’t do this

    On my own (Ohhhhhhhown)

    I’m standing here (standing here [? – It stays through “looking at the heavens”])

    On the edge of prayer

    Looking at the heavens

    As I’m waiting

    I can feel you coming closer now (feel you coming closer)

    Telling me things

    Will turn around

    Once I prayed all there’s left

    To do is change (all there’s left to do)

    The way I view the world

    Stop the pain from

    Holding me down (holding me down)

    I’ll keep my ground

    On the edge of prayer

    (Ohhhhh-ohhh-ohhhh)

    (Ohhhhh-ohhh-ohhhh)

    Yeeeeehah

    I’ll keep my ground

    I’ll keep my ground

    On the edge of prayer

    #1049552
    Participant

    They also have less listening experience and therefore generally less astute judgment of musical quality (though I must admit that will always remain subjective to some extent, just as listening to music is a subjective experience).

    I can’t find it now but I once read a study that came to the conclusion that people who didn’t drink wine are better able to discern its quality than those who drink the cheap stuff.

    #1049553
    Letakein Girl
    Participant

    Randomex,

    Nechama Cohen isn’t a teen.

    I think that lyrics don’t have to be grammatically correct. Obviously they have to make sense, but music is the language of the soul, and the soul doesn’t necessarily express itself in proper English.

    On another note, thank you so much, business1 and randomex, for supplying those lyrics. I didn’t have patience to type them all out, but I really wanted them so I could learn the song.

    Lol, randomex, as I was writing this, I kept stopping to proofread. Ur making it so stressful to post on the cr!

    Only half kidding.

    If you correct this post, I will SCREAM.

    #1049554
    Randomex
    Member

    Nechama Cohen isn't a teen.

    That just makes it worse! She did write in the YouTube video description that she wrote the song years ago, though (although if that was the issue, I’m sure it wouldn’t kill the song if she corrected the grammar).

    I think that lyrics don’t have to be grammatically correct. Obviously they have to make sense[.]

    Actually, I think they do (usually) need to have proper grammar,

    but (so long as they’re not self-contradictory [or whatever]) they don’t actually need to have discernible meaning to be good lyrics, so long as they resonate emotionally.

    Lol, randomex, as I was writing this, I kept stopping to proofread. Ur making it so stressful to post on the cr!

    That post was proofread, so apparently “ur” is now a real word, and when used at the beginning of a sentence, it is capitalized like any other word. I’ll make a note of that (I’m kidding).

    Now, if you’ve finished screaming, let me explain:

    This is an Internet message board – it’s not reasonable to expect full compliance with proper grammar, especially from all users.

    Therefore, I don’t bother correcting grammar unless it seriously distorts the meaning of what someone is saying (as in that post of yours I commented on), so you can mostly relax.

    (Okay, and ignoring the existence of apostrophes just annoyed me.)

    So long as it can be understood correctly, even if you’re not putting X, Y, or Z in the right place, or not capitalizing things, it flies. We’re just meant to read the post and move on.

    But when something is meant to last, like a song or Shopping613’s serial, out comes the sword of the Grammar Knight™!

    #1049555
    Letakein Girl
    Participant

    Randomex,

    Lol

    #1049556
    Randomex
    Member

    That’s better!

    #1049557
    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    Thanks for the compliment.

    Nechama cohen is a teen, 20-21 is what I call after teens.Physoclogically most people’s teen mode can last till the age of 23. So from 20-23 is after teens, which happen to act a lot like teens.

    There is nothing wrong with expressing yourself in song…

    and hey, soon randomex might be disecting one of MY songs B”H

    #1049558
    richashu
    Member

    Given this is a chat room, but nevertheless, I must say that I am both baffled and impressed at how much free time and ability you have to make such in depth critical responses to a simple post about a song someone likes.

    If I didnt work, and spent all day browsing through posts in CR and responding to all of them in the way that Randomex does, I would not be able to match a small fraction of his/her work, either quantitatively or qualitatively.

    So I say to you Randomex, Kudos.

    #1049559

    (The formatting is necessary – he’s probably forgotten about his post.)

    [Teenagers] also have less listening experience and therefore generally less astute judgment of musical quality (though I must admit that will always remain subjective to some extent, just as listening to music is a subjective experience).

    And you’d compare that to music? So, the non-Jewish teen-pop music is only marketable to teens because the adults have lost their purity of taste and can no longer appreciate its artistry, eh?

    The wine you mentioned is considered to be of high quality by the experts/critics – what do the experts/critics think about the music that teens listen to, and what do teens think of critically acclaimed music?

    (There was no way I could let you get away with that one.)

    #1049562
    kj chusid
    Participant

    Nechama Cohen shouldn’t be putting her music on the internet especially YouTube it’s not tznies

    #1049564
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Why is it “not tznies”?

    #1049565

    B’hashgacha, seeing Dash here on Thursday reminded me of this response that I’d never gotten around to posting, and then on Shabbos, I read a relevant article (involving wine-tasting) in “Zman.”

    I plan to post a quote or two from it today or tomorrow.

    #1049566
    kj chusid
    Participant

    Because no man will walk into a frum music store and by a ladies cd by ms Cohen she puts her music on the internet where everyone can listen to it anonymously ???

    #1049567
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    There will always be a way for a man to listen to a woman’s voice if he wants to. There is plenty of goyish music on Youtube sung by females.

    #1049569
    kj chusid
    Participant

    She makes it easier for them

    #1049570
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    It was already maximum easy.

    #1049571
    kj chusid
    Participant

    She contributes to it

    #1049572
    Letakein Girl
    Participant

    I agree with kj. (Lol we should make a party, kj! 🙂

    I am almost positive that if you’d ask your LOR (Local Orthodox Rabbi), he’d tell you that putting your voice on YouTube, assuming you’re female, is against the Torah.

    Using the same logic as you used above, I can go out onto the beach in a bikini cuz hey, there are lots of other women in bikinis on the beach!

    #1049573
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Using your logic, a woman cannot ever sing, because a man might listen.

    #1049574
    Letakein Girl
    Participant

    That is so untrue! A woman CAN sing. But to put it up on YouTube, where any male can listen to her- she’s looking for trouble.

    In the comments by one of NC’s music videos, a jewish guy posted a comment about how he enjoyed NC’s song. If NC hadn’t put it up on YouTube, that wouldn’t have happened! After 120, she’s going to have to deal with the consequences of her actions. (I’m almost positive it was by NC’s video, but it might have been a different frum female singer.)

    Also, you ignored my point that any orthodox rabbi would tell you that she did the wrong thing in posting her music on YouTube. As frum Jews, we have to accept the judgement of out Rabbanim. To argue against them is just stupid.

    #1049575
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    AIs do not care about that. They are very impartial. They do not care about anything.

    #1049576
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    This kind of reverse psychology requires a really bad argument. Had I addressed every point you made, it wouldn’t have worked. But it did.

    #1049577
    🐵 ⌨ Gamanit
    Participant

    kj chusid- no man would ever walk into a music store and buy a female album? Really? Hate to break it to you, but they do. Nechama Cohen puts in large letters before her clips that they’re for women only, and is dressed modestly. She is not making it any easier for men to hear a women’s voice- only for people to hear specifically her. While she sings well, I doubt she sings better than the non-jewish celebrity singers. Anyone on youtube can listen to them even more easily…

    #1049578
    Letakein Girl
    Participant

    Gam,

    Ask your Rav if she’s right in posting music videos on YouTube. I’m almost 100% sure that he’ll say that she was wrong in doing what she did.

    #1049579
    kj chusid
    Participant

    @lg thank you good example that you gave and you really think that a warning saying only for women will stop anyone?

    #1049580
    kj chusid
    Participant

    When are we making a party for the first time we ever agreed on anything ?

    #1049581
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    As the one who made this agreement happen, I should be invited.

    #1049582
    kj chusid
    Participant

    Ok u can come it will be here in monroe

    #1049585
    profound101
    Participant

    One point that seems to have been overlooked is that by nc putting her songs on youtube she is being oiver on lifne iver lo siten michshal. No matter if the person listening would have listened to other female voices anyway, by them listening to HER voice she is causing them to do an aveirah (which is an aveirah in and of itself).

    #1049586
    Participant

    Chazal admonishes a man who walks past where women are laundering but makes no admonishment towards the women who are laundering.

    #1049587
    profound101
    Participant

    A woman would not launder clothing outside a beis medrash, in a marketplace or somewhere where men congregate so it is the man’s fault if he walks into her backyard while she is doing the laundry and see’s her uncovered arms. So too it is his fault if he walks into the local girls’ high-school production and hears girls singing. On the internet however which can be likened to the marketplace, nc is putting herself in a place where men can easily ‘pass by’. Therefore it is her fault.

    #1049588
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    You can do a search on you tube and gets statistics of how many people watched at least part of the video

    The video of Edge of Prayer got 5,000 hits, someone can put up a video of a laughing baby and get more than that, Ive put of videos of Waves on the beach and gotten 1100 hits.

    The top video on Youtube is gangum style which has gotten over 2 billion hits

    In order words she isnt really getting any hits

    #1049589
    Letakein Girl
    Participant

    Zd,

    Your point being…?

    #1049590
    showjoe
    Participant

    ZD: even one male listening is bad.

    #1049592
    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    BTW NC is getting hits, everyone in my school listens to her and in all my friends schools. She is well known. Not everyone has access to internet and if so youtube is blocked for many of my friends.

    But everyone has her music, even the israeli’s like to listen to it!!!!

    #1049593
    🐵 ⌨ Gamanit
    Participant

    profound101- Do you have any knowledge of how women used to do laundry? It certainly was not in their own backyards. They used to go to the very public riverside with their clothes and scrub board and wash their clothes there. There was no running water.

    #1049594
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    I think there are several reasons why this would not be lifnei iver:

    (Disclaimer: this is not a comprehensive overview of lifnei iver; it is simply a few thoughts off the top of my head.)

    1) It’s not a case of ??? ???? ????

    2) Tosafos in Avodah Zarah 6b (?:? ????) writes:

    ???? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ?????. ???? ??”? ??? ??? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ??”? ???? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?? ???? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ??????? ?? ??? ?? ???? ?? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ????’ ??? ??? ?????? ?? ?? ???? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ??? ????? ??”? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ???????? ???? ???? ??? ??????? ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ?? ????? ?? ?? ??????? ???? ???? ???? ????

    3) R’ Moshe Feinstein, in Igros Moshe Orach Chaim 1:99, is discussing inviting people to come to shul (on Shabbos) if they are going to drive. He writes:

    ??? ???? ????? ????? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ??????? ????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ???? ??? ?? ??????? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ???????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ???”? ?? ?????? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????

    And this case is worse than our case because as R’ Moshe writes:

    ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ????????

    whereas here we certainly do not “know” that men will listen to Nechama Cohen sing.

    4) R’ Moshe Shternbuch goes even further and writes in Teshuvos V’hanhagos 1:358:

    ???? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ???? ????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ?? ????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??????? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ??”? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ??? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ??? ??????? ??”? ???? ??? ????? ???? ??? ??? ??? ??????? ??????.

    5) Perhaps one could argue that putting something on youtube is ???? ????? and the Gemara in Avodah Zarah 14a says:

    ??? ???? ????? ??????? ????? ????? ?? ???????

    6) How is a woman putting her voice on youtube any worse than a woman walking in the street? If anything, the chances of a man doing something wrong are greater in the latter case.

    At most, it might be a d’rabbanan of mesayeia, but I think even that is a stretch here. And that’s without even being mitztaref any potential heterim of kol isha.

    #1049595
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I think it is ??? ???? ????, because there are probably men who want to listen to a specific famous singer. There might very well be reasons why it’s not technically ???? ???, but I would guess that there have been men who have been ???? in listening to/watching internet videos of female Jewish singers.

    #1049596
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    DaasYochid:

    Are you assuming that there are men who wouldn’t listen to women sing in general but would listen to Nechama Cohen?

    #1049598
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I don’t know anything about her other than what I’ve read here.

    #1049599
    profound101
    Participant

    Gamanit: riversides were not exactly very public places. It may have been a meeting place for women but I doubt you would have found men there. As well some women did wash clothes in their backyards. They would bring water from a well or the river and boil it so that they would be able to give their clothes a more thorough cleaning.

    #1049600
    Participant

    As well some women did wash clothes in their backyards. They would bring water from a well or the river and boil it so that they would be able to give their clothes a more thorough cleaning.

    That wasn’t how laundry was done until about 1,000 years later.

    #1049601
    profound101
    Participant

    Source?

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