February 18, 2009 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm #774367
areivim, exactly uch I really didn’t know people do that! Maybe it’s just boys that don’t drive so they wana be cheap on the car serviceFebruary 18, 2009 9:52 pm at 9:52 pm #774368
i was just by 13th ave. recently, it’s crazy there.$February 18, 2009 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #774369
myshadow, yes he must have missed the memo that said you don’t go anywhere local…
areivim, our thoughts exactly!February 18, 2009 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #774370
dunno: ha that’s nuts you thought that!!!February 19, 2009 4:10 am at 4:10 am #774371
starbucks,Terrace on the hudson, bowling
I have a serious question-why on earth do boys take girls to hotels on the first date it is so uncomfortable.
There is just something with after a long day of work and the lights are really low that makes me kind of sleepy.If someone MUUSSTT go to a hotel lounge and meet the world there at least take a walk or play a board game.To me Hotel dates are when things are getting serious and its DMC time.February 19, 2009 4:51 am at 4:51 am #774372
Ames: DMC- deep meaningful conversationFebruary 19, 2009 4:56 am at 4:56 am #774373
Ames-syriansephardi is correct- dmc’s are very serious and intense conversations.
By the way i read somewhere that chazal say that eating brings closeness between peole so maybe thats why people go out to eat on dates.That is also why we have yayin nesech-we don’t want to get to close to the goyim…February 19, 2009 4:59 am at 4:59 am #774374
yayin nesech? you sure about that?
what’s the difference between sitting with a goy and drinking regular wine and wine that’s mevushal?
and never mind that yayin nesech applies to wine even (or should i say especially?) when it’s out of your sight. with means you’re not sitting with the goy.February 19, 2009 5:01 am at 5:01 am #774375
By2: yup and also that’s why bishul goyim…February 19, 2009 5:01 am at 5:01 am #774376
Moish: she is right. And I forgot the reasonFebruary 19, 2009 5:10 am at 5:10 am #774377
ames, yeah I absolutely despise lobbies on first dates, It came in handy once though- we were sitting opposite the bar and during the quiet times we watched the football game that was on the tv….February 19, 2009 5:13 am at 5:13 am #774378
i thought it had to do with the “nesech” for a “korban” for avoda zara.
can we get another guy on here?February 19, 2009 6:05 am at 6:05 am #774379
ok, i know 72 left but it just came to me.
yayin nesech is what i said about avoda zara – and it’s assur.
stam yayin is wine that’s not mevushal and is touched or owned by a goy – and it’s also assur. and i think boiled wine is not a problem because it can’t be used for nesech.
basyisroel – you’re right about the drinking together thing – because it leads to intermarriage. i just don’t remember why yayin mevushal would solve that problem… there’s a gemara that discusses this… it’s killing meFebruary 19, 2009 7:46 am at 7:46 am #774380
ha the place i took my date last night, wasn’t even mentioned in this thread!!!!!! i’m deciding, if i should mention the place not!!!
niitallmr: i think the bracha that you gave me, is starting to work!!!! thank you so much pal!!!February 19, 2009 2:09 pm at 2:09 pm #774381
basyisroel2, definately NO starbucks!! Did that once and it was horrible!!February 19, 2009 2:18 pm at 2:18 pm #774382
anon for thisParticipant
I think the “cooking” process affects the taste of the wine. That’s one reason kosher wine often isn’t considered as high-quality as non-kosher, and isn’t generally mentioned in wine columns (one notable exception: every year, the Wall Street Journal devotes one of its weekly wine columns to kosher wines for the seder).February 19, 2009 5:15 pm at 5:15 pm #774383
Ames: to tell u the truth I’m all confused now lol but I remember the rabbi said the goy can’t cook ur food even if ur there…….that’s bishul goyim no? Maybe I meant to say we can have pat goyim as long as the jew turns on the fire?!February 19, 2009 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #774384
bishul yisroel is when a jew turns on the fire.
i think bishul yisroel sfardi is that a jew has to take part in the cooking process. like stirring or something.
that was a wild guess
anon, you can’t “bond” with a goy over boiled wine? true, the taste is different, but wine is wine.February 19, 2009 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #774385
you wish i’m looking it up. no patience.February 19, 2009 8:37 pm at 8:37 pm #774386
did evrybody miss asdfg’s post above?
he said he went on a date… and the brocha is working…. hmmm
LET US KNOW WHEN THERE’S SOME GOOD NEWS!February 19, 2009 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm #774387
asdf, 16 yrs old and dating already?
😉February 19, 2009 8:58 pm at 8:58 pm #774388
Moish, do you know a goy that would drink Cream Malaga? LOL.
To be honest, if you want to bond with a non Jew, you will find ways.February 19, 2009 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #774389
Ames, like I said I’m totally confused!!!!!!!! But yeah u do say bishul yisrael to a resteraunt…..
Moish: I don’t think they have to stir or anything, just turn on the fireFebruary 19, 2009 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #774390
Ok guys now I got it:
Bishul goyim- assur
Bishul yisrael- ashkenaz-jew has to turn on the fire, sephardic-jew has turn on fire AND do something with the cooking(u were right moish)February 19, 2009 10:35 pm at 10:35 pm #774393
sjs – takka. then why the geder altogether?February 19, 2009 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #774394
All this wine talk made me think of a great idea:
Going to a winery! I think it would be so cool though I don’t think they give tours…February 19, 2009 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm #774395
Most winerys (?wineries) actually do give tours…
Just make sure you or your date don’t get drunk. Or better yet, that would be good cuz you’ll get to see the real person!February 19, 2009 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm #774396
there are breweries you can tour. that might be a good place to date.February 20, 2009 12:14 am at 12:14 am #774397
ames, I would love to do something like that!
curious, hmmm so you’re saying we shouldn’t drive there?
And AL2- can’t stand the smell or taste of beer..February 20, 2009 12:19 am at 12:19 am #774398
Oh I was thinking france..February 20, 2009 12:28 am at 12:28 am #774399
I would love to go to batting cages on a date!!!! (Not a first one of course!!)February 20, 2009 12:49 am at 12:49 am #774400
asdfghjkl: why wouldn’t you wanna mention it??$February 20, 2009 1:40 am at 1:40 am #774401
Aren’t these wineries treif? How can you drink there?February 20, 2009 1:48 am at 1:48 am #774402
Joseph: ames said- unfortunatley I COULDN’T partake…..that means she DIDN’T drink it because its not kosher!February 20, 2009 1:52 am at 1:52 am #774403
Joseph- we weren’t serious about drinking there.February 20, 2009 2:04 am at 2:04 am #774404
anon for thisParticipant
I think the mevushal process may be relatively new.
Never done a winery tour, but have toured a brewery (Anheuser Busch), though not on a date. It was OK but you don’t get to see much of the factory. You do have to be 21 to drink the beer sample; there’s soft drinks for everyone else.February 20, 2009 2:29 am at 2:29 am #774405
areivimzehlazeh: thanx for being the only one to notice it there, with all the heated yayim stuff going on!!! i’ll keep ya posted!!!
curious: i’m not 16-that’s moish who’s 16!!!
qwertyuiop: cause it was such a nice quiet place, i don’t want it to be the next hot spot like the marriott!!!February 20, 2009 2:37 am at 2:37 am #774406
That’s what happens when you skim 🙂
I had visited the wineries in Napa Valley about 3 years ago; now those are wineries.February 20, 2009 2:46 am at 2:46 am #774407
asdfghjkl: who cares, next time you’ll find a new place.$February 20, 2009 3:38 am at 3:38 am #774408
in fact if you’re ever in the San Francisco area for some reason, check out Napa Valley if you really want to know what a real winery is like.February 20, 2009 3:47 am at 3:47 am #774409
Does Kedem give a guided tour? I think the Yekev is about two hours North of the City. That would be a fun and enjoyable date, only if you are allowed to sample and taste the Wines at the end of the Tour.February 20, 2009 3:50 am at 3:50 am #774410
Napa Valley is Wine Country.February 20, 2009 4:35 am at 4:35 am #774411
Ames: yesterday we had halacha with the rabbi of the community I live in (u no which one) and he showed us the video of the bugs in strawberrys then we were talkin bout all grapes n stuff n he never said anything about that….February 20, 2009 5:35 am at 5:35 am #774412
ames: i can’t wait till i see you farmer ames.$February 20, 2009 5:42 am at 5:42 am #774413
qwertyuiop: you really wanna know where i went??? like you might wanna go there too once???
i’m not a wine-guy, i’m a scotch-men!!!!!!!!!February 20, 2009 12:05 pm at 12:05 pm #774414
I’ve been to quite a few brewery tours and I loved them! I went both pre and post legal age. My favorite was Coors in Golden Colorado.
I also “toured” the coke place in Atlanta (they dont show you much).
Factory tours are generally pretty cool. I went to Stoneyfield Farms in VT, John Deere Factory in Iowa, Harley Davidson in Madison WI…I’m sure there are a bunch around here. There are so many cool things to see!February 20, 2009 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #774415
Ames: I know we weren’t only talking about bugs…February 22, 2009 1:50 am at 1:50 am #774416
Asdf- Hatzlacha and may we all hear good news from you Bekarov!
myshadow- why do you not like starbucks? I think it’s great-You can have a small black coffee/ice coffe there with soy milk(check the hechser at each starbucks) which is $2.something which is cheaper that a $6.00 flat soda at a boring Hotel!February 22, 2009 2:35 am at 2:35 am #774417
BasYisroel2: thank you so much!!! hatzlacha to you 2!!!February 22, 2009 2:50 am at 2:50 am #774418
BasYisroel2- The problem I have with Starbucks is that I don’t like coffee (mods, don’t throw me out of here please) and I end up ordering water which costs more than coffee. Go figure that one out.
You’re treading on thin ice AL2. YW Moderator-72 :o) thanks coke not pepsi
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