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  • #1479103

    crazykanoiy
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    I guess your silly definition of a “true” oheiv yisrael is a man who said neo-Nazi marchers are fine people. Refused to distance himself from David Duke – “doesn’t know him”. Made racist comments about Jewish money to the RJC. Retweets from racist sources. Went to bed with Hitler speeches on his night table. Refused to condemn antisemitic attack by his supporters on Juli Ioffee and other Jewish reporters. Picked a white-supremacist William Johnson as his delegate from California and more. And all this is to ignored because he promised to move the embassy to Jerusalem even though as of today every single official US government document does not list Jerusalem as being in Israel but rather as Jerusalem, Jerusalem with no mention of Israel at all.

    #1479112

    laskern
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    I am not saying Trump is an anti-semite, but your quote encourages it. Like the difference between the chacham and rashe in the Haggadah. They sound the same, but the Chasan Sofer explains that the chacham uses similar language in order the rashe should think that he has a comrade in wickedness, saying you are a rashe I am also a rashe, and thereby he reveals himself. Similarly, if Trump is not careful with his language, he encourages the white nationalist to think that he is also an advocate of their cause.

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    #1479243

    Health
    Participant

    crazykanoi -“I guess your silly definition of a “true” oheiv yisrael is a man who said neo-Nazi marchers are fine people.”

    I’ll repeat from the first page –
    “STOP Spouting the so-called “Jewish” Leftist Agenda!”

    #1479256

    Health
    Participant

    To laskern & crazykanoi – Where were you 2 libs when Obama & Hillary did things that weren’t Pro-Judiaism?!?

    #1479266

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Health
    stop being silly. IF you (I dont mean you ch”v) find yourself at a neo-nazi rally, whether there to defend Lee, to Unite the right or for free cookies. If you see swastikas, chants of “jews will not replace us” and stick around because you just really like cookies.
    Well you arent a “very fine person”

    Trump may not be smart enough to understand that, but don;t defend it please.

    #1479351

    chiefshmerel
    Participant

    @health, that is not an accurate transcript. The following is a transcript, directly from the video.
    Reporter: You’re putting what you call the “alt-left” and white supremacists on the same moral plane.
    Trump: I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this; you had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs, and it was vicious, and it was horrible, and it was a horrible thing to watch. But there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left, you’ve just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
    Reporter: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides-
    Trump: Well, I do think there’s blame on both sides. You look at both sides, I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And, if you reported it accurately, you would say.
    Reporter: ____________________(unclear)
    Trump: And you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of a statue of to them, a very important statue, and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

    There you go.
    There may have been people who didn’t want the statue taken down that were not neo-Nazis. But the rally was filled with Nazi flags. And they were screaming Nazi slogans. And it was organized by Richard Spencer. Yes, that Richard Spencer. And there were people, if you can call them that, like David Duke and Chris Barker in attendance.

    If someone is at a rally, for whatever reason, and neo-Nazis are chanting their slogans, and they stay, they are not a fine person, let alone a very fine person. Period.

    #1479521

    Avi K
    Participant

    Trump also named Orthodox Jew and former Pres. of the Friends of the Betel Yeshiva David Friedman to be Ambassador to Israel, is moving the embassy to Jerusalem, appointed the great ohevet Yisrael par excellence Nikki Haley to the UN, drastically cut funding to anti-Israel UNRWA and has basically cut off Abbas.

    #1479555

    laskern
    Participant

    We find by the plague of the frogs the view that it was one big frog and the more you hit it , the more frogs appeared. All this might encourage more terrorism. Cutting off aid just gives them validity for their mission that they must fight for their own survival. The Marshall Plan helped against communism.

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    #1479746

    Health
    Participant

    Ubiq -“Well you arent a “very fine person””

    Your so far on the liberal left – it’s hard to respond!
    Trump was being nice by saying there were fine people on both sides.
    There weren’t! And the worse side was the BLM & their left buddies. They were there for violence only.
    And why did the town agree in the first place to remove the statue?!? This country doesn’t have any GUTS anymore!

    #1479753

    DovidBT
    Participant

    They were there for violence only.
    And why did the town agree in the first place to remove the statue?!?

    And the official report on the incident stated that the chief of police directed his police officers to “let them fight”, rather than keeping the protestors and counter-protestors separated.

    How did the chief of police respond to the report? He said “I don’t recall saying that” and promptly resigned. Draw your own conclusions from that.

    And the town did not agree to the removal of the statues or to the renaming of the city parks. Those actions were taken by a small minority of city council members. (The statues are still there, but were shrouded for several months, until a recent court order to remove the shrouds.)

    #1479764

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    What if people do have guts, but they have guts in opposition to your agenda?

    #1479769

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Health

    Hold up

    “Trump was being nice by saying there were fine people on both sides.
    There weren’t! ”

    why is saying that there were “very fine people” among neo nazis an example of “Trump being nice”

    Isnt that an example of Trump being Crazy (Or Trump being Trump)?
    Please explain to me why Trump saying that some neonazis are “very fine” was a an example of Trump being nice

    “And why did the town agree in the first place to remove the statue?!?

    Because people find it offensive

    #1479803

    DovidBT
    Participant

    Because people find it offensive

    And many people, probably the majority, are offended by the efforts of a minority to “erase history” and police their thoughts.

    If not for the renaming of the two city parks by two local politicians, and their attempt to remove the statues, the protests would not have occurred, and there would have been no violence.

    The fact that some anti-semites support a position does not make that position wrong. President Trump has the wisdom to understand that and the courage to act on it.

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    #1479810

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “And many people, probably the majority, are offended by the efforts of a minority to “erase history” and police their thoughts.”

    Erase history?

    Nobody is saying to remove all mention of Lee. He should be remebered in a museum of evil that man did to fellow man.
    Putting up a statue of him in public square/park isnt just a historical reminder, it is a glorification.

    “The fact that some anti-semites support a position does not make that position wrong.”
    True. but if they go to a nazi-rally even just for the cookies they arent “very fine people”

    do you ever wonder why there where swastikas at a rally in support of Lee? IF all this was was to not “erase history” what do swastikas have to do with it?

    #1479901

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    How do we know that this rally wasn’t funded by Russia just to rile things up like they have been doing

    #1479904

    Health
    Participant

    Ubiq -“Please explain to me why Trump saying that some neonazis are “very fine” was a an example of Trump being nice”

    Funny, but you have no problem why Trump was saying that some commies are “very fine” as a an example of Trump being nice; about BLM & their left buddies?!?

    “Putting up a statue of him in public square/park isnt just a historical reminder, it is a glorification.”

    Stop with the Liberal Lies! The statue was put up in a time when Lee was a hero.

    #1479977

    chiefshmerel
    Participant

    Your claim is inaccurate. The statue was not put up when Lee was a hero. It was commisioned in 1917, and put up in 1924.

    I fully support Sen. Cory Booker(D-NJ)’s bill to remove all Confederate statues from the US Capitol, and place them in the Smithsonian museum.
    I’m aware that these are historical relics. That’s the point. Historical relics belong in a museum.

    #1479983

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    health

    “Funny, but you have no problem why Trump was saying that some commies are “very fine” as a an example of Trump being nice; about BLM & their left buddies?!?”

    Yes,, beacuse soem of those opposing neo-nazis were very fine.

    Let’s keep this simple. do you agree with the following statement:

    “anybody attending a neo-nazi rally, who realizes he is at a neo-nazi rally and sticks around whther becasue he supports “states rights” likes their shiny bald heads or the refreshments the yare serving, is not a very fine person.”

    simple question do you agree with that yes or no.

    “Stop with the Liberal Lies! The statue was put up in a time when Lee was a hero.”
    Yes that is precisely the issue. do you not know what “glorification” means? it is treating him like a hero

    #1480122

    Health
    Participant

    Ubiq -“anybody attending a neo-nazi rally, who realizes he is at a neo-nazi rally and sticks around whther becasue he supports “states rights” likes their shiny bald heads or the refreshments the yare serving, is not a very fine person.”

    I personally haven’t thought into it. But the President is entitled to his opinon!

    “Yes that is precisely the issue. do you not know what “glorification” means? it is treating him like a hero”

    Look they did it a long time ago. Stop trying to dictate what people think – it’s called Freedom when you don’t police everything.

    #1480199

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Health

    “I personally haven’t thought into it”

    so think about it, how long does it take?

    “But the President is entitled to his opinon!”
    Obviousl;y, though that isnt our discussion. Neo-nazis are entitled to their opinion too. That doent mean they are right.

    “Look they did it a long time ago. Stop trying to dictate what people think – it’s called Freedom when you don’t police everything.”

    I dont know wha t you are saying.
    If there was a statue in a public square of Munich of Hitler left over from 1941 “a long time ago” “when h was a hero” You would aoppose its removal?

    (Obviousoly Lee wasnt as bad as Hitel, but you are using silly arguemtns, I’m going to help steer yo uin the rigth direction with extreme examples)

    #1480322

    Health
    Participant

    Ubiq -“so think about it, how long does it take?”

    Ok. Trump is right! Your assumption that e/o at that rally has to be a sympathyzer for Nazis is absurd!
    Maybe these guys came to demonstrate first. Do you say the same thing about e/o at the left opposition rally – that they are all Commies or Commie sympathyzers?!?

    #1480634

    crazykanoiy
    Participant

    Health, You can support Trump and still criticise him when critiscm is due. Why must you support and defend every disgusting and obnoxious thing he says. His comments on Charlottesville were wrong and indefensible. They should cause every Jewish heart to shudder. Trump is not a great oheiv yisrael but rather a deeply flawed man who plays to peoples base instincts. Even Conservative hero Ben Shapiro criticized Trump at CPAC over his repulsive comments on Charlottesville

    #1480672

    Health
    Participant

    Crazykanoiy -“Health, You can support Trump and still criticise him when critiscm is due. Why must you support and defend every disgusting and obnoxious thing he says.”

    I support him when I feel he is right!

    “His comments on Charlottesville were wrong and indefensible.”

    I think his comments was very in the middle. If I would comment – they’d be much more on the right!

    “Trump is not a great oheiv yisrael but rather a deeply flawed man who plays to peoples base instincts. Even Conservative hero Ben Shapiro criticized Trump at CPAC over his repulsive comments on Charlottesville”

    Who’s B. Shapiro?!?
    Did this guy also support Cruz or the guy from Florida? The real conservatives voted for Trump! We don’t want candidates that you libs can live with!!!

    #1480679

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Trump is right! Your assumption that e/o at that rally has to be a sympathyzer for Nazis is absurd!”

    I did not say everybody at a nazi rally is a nazi sympathizer. Thus your question “Do you say the same thing about e/o at the left opposition rally – that they are all Commies or Commie sympathyzers?!?” Is illogical

    I am saying that they arent “Very fine people”
    You disagree and say, as Trump did that some of those at a neo-nazi rally are “very fine people” .
    Obviously that is your right. Troubling as your opinion may be.

    I’m glad that was cleared up.
    Thank you for your time

    #1483059

    DovidBT
    Participant

    His comments on Charlottesville were wrong and indefensible.

    If you want to know the truth about the Charlottesville events, search for the article “Charlottesville never had to happen — How craven local politicians led our nation into tragedy” by Arthur Herman.

    #1483219

    Avi K
    Participant

    Health, you write really funny posts. However, don’t give up your day job.

    #1483474

    Health
    Participant

    DovidBT – Thanks to your post I looked it up. Basically the left started the whole thing – you can call it a left-wing conspiracy!

    #1483673

    DovidBT
    Participant

    DovidBT – Thanks to your post I looked it up. Basically the left started the whole thing – you can call it a left-wing conspiracy!

    That’s exactly what it was, and it still is.

    Add to that article the fact, later determined, that the chief of police specifically ordered his men to stay on the sidelines and “let them fight.” And the counter-protestors who were responsible for the violence were given trivial, if any, punishment.

    #1483694

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Health

    “If I would comment – they’d be much more on the right!”

    I love it

    so David duke had this to say about Trump’s comments “Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/Antifa”

    but our friend Health feels Trump was too far to the left.

    Health, when you are “more on the right” than David Duke it is probably time to rethink your position

    #1484233

    DovidBT
    Participant

    when you are “more on the right” than David Duke it is probably time to rethink your position

    An illogical statement. The facts are the facts, regardless of who else may be stating them.

    #1484490

    Health
    Participant

    Ubiq – “but our friend Health feels Trump was too far to the left.
    Health, when you are “more on the right” than David Duke it is probably time to rethink your position”

    Maybe you leftists should do some rethinking!
    Trump was misguided. From previous – “If you want to know the truth about the Charlottesville events, search for the article “Charlottesville never had to happen — How craven local politicians led our nation into tragedy” by Arthur Herman.”
    And I wrote this – “Basically the left started the whole thing – you can call it a left-wing conspiracy!”

    #1484497

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    DovidBT
    “An illogical statement. The facts are the facts, regardless of who else may be stating them”

    What fact? That Donald Trump’s comment was deplorable? I agree that that fact is the fact, but not all here do. And that fact is precisely what we are discussing.

    I’ll bring you up to speed, you seem lost

    We are discussing whether Donald Trump identifying some neo nazis as “very nice people” was an appropriate statement.
    To me it seemed obvious that, that was beyond the pale.
    Others disagreed. One fellow went so far to say that it was a bit to the left.

    To which I pointed out that David Duke, felt the comment was appropriate
    So we are left with David Duke saying the PResident was on target, and a YWN comenter saying it was a bit leftist.

    To which I said ” when you are “more on the right” than David Duke it is probably time to rethink your position”

    Please Let me know where I lost you.

    Do you agree with Donald that some at the neo-nazi rally were “very fine people”?
    IF not is that because you think it was a bit to far to he left?

    #1484517

    chiefshmerel
    Participant

    @Healthh, just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it a defamatory conspiracy. It’s all clearly on video.

    #1484551

    Health
    Participant

    Chiefshmerel -“Healthh, just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it a defamatory conspiracy. It’s all clearly on video.”
    Nothing to do with the videos of the incident. If you’re interested and if you’re capable to have a logical discussion, then go to that article and then come back here. Once you read the article, you’ll understand my previous comments!

    #1484665

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Health

    I need rethinking?

    You said “Trump was misguided” you also said “Ok. Trump is right!”

    Which is it?
    Where there very fine people at the neo-nazi rally or not?

    #1484679

    crazykanoiy
    Participant

    Health – Please stop trying to confuse the issue. The issue is somple. Would a true “oheiv yisrael” refer to people marching with Nazi flags and chanting Jews will not displace us as very fine people? Would a true “oheiv yisrael” take days to disavow an endorsement from David Duke. Would a true “oheiv yisrael” make racist jokes to the RJC? Would a true “oheiv yisrael” refuse to condemn the antisemetic attacks of his supporters on Jewish journalists? To most thinking people the answer is quite obvious. Trump is not the hero of the Jews that his misguided apologists try to make him out to be.

    #1484806

    Health
    Participant

    Ubiq -“You said “Trump was misguided” you also said “Ok. Trump is right!”
    “Which is it?”

    Your manipulation knows NO bounds!
    I wrote Trump was misguided because he didn’t know the truth about the Charlottesville events, go search for the article “Charlottesville never had to happen — How craven local politicians led our nation into tragedy” by Arthur Herman.”
    “Basically the left started the whole thing – you can call it a left-wing conspiracy!”

    “Where there very fine people at the neo-nazi rally or not?”

    When I wrote – Trump is right was about that there were very fine people at that rally. And No, I wasn’t referring to Nazis. Stop with your manipulation!

    #1484851

    Health
    Participant

    crazycanoiy -“Health – Please stop trying to confuse the issue. The issue is somple. Would a true “oheiv yisrael” etc. Trump is not the hero of the Jews that his misguided apologists try to make him out to be.”

    Why are you addressing your post to me?!? I never called the President an “oheiv yisrael”!

    #1485806

    chiefshmerel
    Participant

    @health, I finally got around to reading the article. The author, in most of it, was merely stating his own opinion. The problem is that if you look at most public polls, the majority do want the statues removed.

    And you didn’t answer my question. As many of my fellow commenters wrote, not neccesarily was everyone there a neo-Nazi. If someone sees what’s happening by a neo-Nazi rally, and stays to protest with them, they’re not a fine person.

    And I’m not saying that the local and state governments bear no responsibilty. He is right that it didn’t have to be the way it was.

    I can tell that you’re merely grasping for straws by going off topic. Just answer the question:

    ARE NEO-NAZIS VERY FINE PEOPLE?!

    #1485898

    Health
    Participant

    cheiefshmerel -“And you didn’t answer my question. As many of my fellow commenters wrote, not neccesarily was everyone there a neo-Nazi. If someone sees what’s happening by a neo-Nazi rally, and stays to protest with them, they’re not a fine person”

    From above:
    “Maybe these guys came to demonstrate first.”
    So there is No reason for them to leave!

    “Do you say the same thing about e/o at the left opposition rally – that they are all Commies or Commie sympathyzers?!?”

    “ARE NEO-NAZIS VERY FINE PEOPLE?!”

    “When I wrote – Trump is right was about that there were very fine people at that rally. And No, I wasn’t referring to Nazis. Stop with your manipulation!”

    I answered both questions above already!
    I did you a favor and I repeated them.

    #1485923

    MTAB
    Participant

    don’t confuse support of the traife medinah – the state of Israel – with loving jews

    #1485940

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    I don’t understand,

    Was everyone at a Black Lives Matter a racist? Does that make Obama a racist because he had them at the White House?

    They chanted “pigs in a blanket cook em like bacon”

    #1486595

    chiefshmerel
    Participant

    @health, the neo-Nazis came first. The entire rally was organized by Richard Spencer (if you don’t know who that is, there’s nothing to talk about).
    And you misunderstood what me and my fellow commenters were saying. Not everyone at that rally were neo-Nazis. But someone who demonstrates with them, while s/he might not be a neo-Nazi, is not a fine person at all.
    And @mtab is absolutely right. It’s increasingly common to have anti-Semites supporting the state of Israel. Richard Spencer, for example, openly supports Israel. There are two reasons that that can happen:
    1. Many of these white supremacists believe that Jews should be in their own land, quarantined away from the world.
    2. It says in the Bible that the redeemer will come once all the Jews live in the land of Israel.

    So no, it’s actually not so uncommon to find an anti-Semitic supporter of Israel.

    #1486705

    Health
    Participant

    chiefshmerel -“the neo-Nazis came first. The entire rally was organized by Richard Spencer (if you don’t know who that is, there’s nothing to talk about”

    Stop with your Leftist Lies! It was organized by Jason Kessler from “Unity and Security for America”.
    Spencer took advantage of the situation.

    #1487911

    Avi K
    Participant

    Trump does it again. He replaced Tillerson with Mike Pompeo who said “In November 2015, Pompeo visited Israel and stated that “Prime Minister Netanyahu is a true partner of the American people” and that “Netanyahu’s efforts to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons are incredibly admirable and deeply appreciated”. He also stated that “In the fight against terrorism, cooperation between Israel and the United States has never been more important” and that “We must stand with our ally Israel and put a stop to terrorism. Ongoing attacks by the Palestinians serve only to distance the prospect of peace.”

    #1505991

    Joseph
    Participant

    It appears that American hero Scooter Libby will be receiving the next pardon from President Trump.

    #1513189

    Joseph
    Participant

    According to numerous reports, the Oheiv Yisroel in the Oval Office is likely to allow Jonathon Pollard to travel to Israel.

    #1513197

    chiefshmerel
    Participant

    On April 22, Trump tweeted:
    “Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Fake News NBC just stated that we have given up so much in our negotiations with North Korea, and they have given up nothing. Wow, we haven’t given up anything & they have agreed to denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!”.

    “Sleepy eyes” is an anti-Semitic term. Chuck Todd is Jewish. Such an oheiv yisrael…

    #1513240

    Health
    Participant

    CS -““Sleepy eyes” is an anti-Semitic term. Chuck Todd is Jewish.”

    There are many meanings. I doubt he meant the anti-Semitic one!
    From the Urban dictionary:
    “Another term for the puffy eyes stoners get when they partake in the smoking of marijuana.”

    #1513250

    Avi K
    Participant

    From the Washington Post:

    For his own part, Todd told The Post he didn’t think of the odd nickname as anti-Semitic. “I’ve never taken it that way. If it is a slur, I’ve never heard of it,” Todd said.
    Peter Kenez, an emeritus professor at the University of California at Santa Cruz who survived the Holocaust and went on to become a historian of the atrocities he witnessed, wrote about the “sleepy eyes” stereotype in one of his books. However, he thinks it is very unlikely that Trump knows about it, or that he picked up the term from one of his advisers.
    Instead, Kenez said, it is probably just a coincidence that Trump uses the same nickname for Todd.
    “I doubt that Trump knows what he’s talking about. . . . [‘Sleepy eyes’] was hardly a major feature of Nazi propaganda. It was not something that every German had to know,” Kenez said. Other stereotypes were far more common in Nazi Germany, he said. “I think it is too obscure. Our president has to have it to think up an adjective for everyone that he says something bad about. I suppose nothing else came to him.”

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