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  • #1742740
    Joseph
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    A new sign was just hung at the entrance to the new settlement named “Ramat Trump” after US President Trump. The Israeli Cabinet meeting will be held there tomorrow.

    #1742754
    ☕️coffee addict
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    “In the same survey more New Yorkers (among all, not just Jews) expressed a favorable opinion of President Trump than of New York Mayor Bill de Blasio.“

    Well that’s not saying much

    A subway rat is probably more favorable than hizzonner

    #1767055
    Joseph
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    #1767217
    Joseph
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    When Donald Trump Worked in the Laundry Room

    Rabbi Wagner has vivid recollections of Fred Trump’s son, a wild, blond-haired youth. “Donald’s father left him and his brother an inheritance of over a million dollars. In effect, Fred was the one who launched his son’s business career.

    I still remember going to shul with my father for Shacharis (morning prayer) early every Sunday morning. The laundry room, where all the tenants washed their clothes in coin-operated machines, was in the basement of the building. And do you know who collected the money from those machines in the mornings? Donald Trump and his brother!

    “Donald was Fred Trump’s second son. I remember him from the age of about 14 or 15, with his wild shock of blond hair and his endless reserves of energy and drive. His father used to send him to collect the money from the laundry machines. Fred taught his children from a very early age to take responsibility; he gave them no breaks. Donald may have been wild as a youth, but his father raised him well.

    #1767268
    klugeryid
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    Donald Trump clearly does things favorable to the Jews while not shying away from infuriating the Arabs.
    He is not known as a lover of blacks, and he clearly is starting up with south Americans.
    To say it’s all part of some huge psychological game where he is doing exactly the opposite of his desires and really he hates Jews and it’s all some grand scheme, is firstly beyond normal belief, requires a pre-conceived belief that he “hates Jews don’t mix me up with facts ”
    And secondly would mean if is some sort of genius and great actor! Exactly the opposite of what those same people claim that he is a stupid loose canon.
    So trump haters, take your pick
    Is he a genius Jew hater?
    Or perhaps he really is a Jew lover and he is exactly what he seems to be
    Average intelligent shoot from the hip ball it like he sees it and a Jew lover

    #1767318
    jackk
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    Trump does a favorable act and the recipient is Jewish , ergo he is a oheiv yisroel par excellance.
    He insults, attacks and denigrates multiple black people multiple times , ergo he is a racist par excellance.

    #1767375
    2scents
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    Not so sure he is a racist, he seems more like an equal opportunity attacker.

    #1767357
    klugeryid
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    Jackk,
    As an objective logical position you are absolutely correct.
    However you need to back up your statement with specifics
    For example
    Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
    Whether you are nituray karta or ardent Zionist, that is clearly in trumps mind an unnecessary, and very pro Jewish move.
    Same for recognizing the Golan as part of Israel proper.
    Or Cutting off aid to Palestinian monsters, or mobsters .
    Because no matter how morally correct you want to claim these acts are, no other president did them, and all got away with it. If he had no affinity for the Jews he could have easily continued that pattern.

    His commuting the sentences of rubashkin and yesterday, I personally don’t think it proves it because they are individuals and presidents routinely do such things, but they definitely bolster the narrative.

    How about you list a few examples of his
    “insults, attacks and denigrates multiple black people multiple times”
    So we can see if In truth he is a racist

    #1767412
    2scents
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    He insulted so many people, some of them happen to be minorities.

    #1767320
    Gadolhadorah
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    Both right-wing and left-wing can agree that it is possible to pursue certain policies and take certain actions which arguably have a political rationale without engaging in vile, hateful and racist rhetoric. Ronald Reagan consistently acted in accordance with his principles but NEVER got down into the slime and engaged in the personal bullying and obscene racist tropes that the Trumpkopf seems to thrive and and energizes his supporters.

    #1767327
    Gadolhadorah
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    “A new sign was just hung at the entrance to the new settlement named “Ramat Trump” after US President Trump”

    Well, Joey, a new sign appeared overnight at the Sewage Treatment Plant just outside Baltimore renaming the facility as the DJT Sewage Plant. The Av H’Tumah has relocated from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave to the shores of the Patapsco River

    #1767516
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Katanhadorah,

    Exactly, because baltomorons hate trump and are RACISTS (there I said it!)

    Would it be racist to say the same thing with Obama in Texas?

    #1767531
    Non Political
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    @ coffee addict

    “Exactly, because baltomorons hate trump and are RACISTS”

    You just leveled a prejudiced insult at an entire community based on the comments of one CR liberal.

    #1767571
    Gadolhadorah
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    Non-political….you are so right. The residents of Baltimore are the only Americans who “hate trump”. Otherwise, he is a hero to the residents of all of American’s other cities and towns, especially among minorities (where the Fox News Poll shows his popularity among African-Americans increased by nearly 50 percent in 2 years, 4% to 6%)

    #1767570
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Non political,

    No I didn’t 😁

    Did I say all people that live in Baltimore hate trump? Those that do are baltimorons the rest are baltimorians

    #1767592
    Non Political
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    @ CA

    “Did I say all people that live in Baltimore hate trump? Those that do are baltimorons the rest are baltimorians”

    Thank you for clarifying. I retract.

    #1772162
    Joseph
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    CNN has a long interesting article today (“Sholom Rubashkin: The inside story of how a kosher meat kingpin won clemency under Trump”) about how President Donald Trump came about commuting the sentence of Reb Sholom Mordechai Rubashkin. It claims Jared Kushner was much more responsible for getting the President to issue the commutation than Alan Dershowitz, who was given most of the credit previously.

    It also says President Trump specifically was motivated to issue the commutation in order to help the Orthodox Jewish community out of hakaros hatov for our support of him.

    #1801959
    Joseph
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    President Trump today reversed decades of US policy viewing Israeli settlements as being illegal under international law with Secretary of State Pompeo announcing today that American policy now is that Israeli settlements are fully legal.

    #1802689
    laughing
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    Donald Trump is a true ohev atzmoh

    #1814212
    Joseph
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    The President of the United States, the Honorable Donald John Trump, has enacted an executive order penalizing universities that tolerate anti-semitism.

    #1814220
    Reb Eliezer
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    How does he penalize them?

    #1814251
    Reb Eliezer
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    Trump wants to look good in front of the Jews, He encourages anti-semitism by siding with the white nationalists in Charleston, NC and then he does an executive order to stop it.

    #1814318
    Reb Eliezer
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    For the above, I agree with laughing, he is oheiv es atzmo, אוהב את עצמו.

    #1814323
    klugeryid
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    Reb Eleizer
    Why exactly does trump have an agenda to ”look good in front of the Jews ” ?
    I keep hearing/seeing people express that idea.
    I can’t even begin to understand it.
    If you told me Biden hates blacks but attempts to make himself look like he loves them, I get it. The black community has a huge sway in politics and if he’d be associated with being anti black it would really torpedo his chances at winning. So there would be motive.

    What’s trumps motive?
    The pro Jewish things he has done have almost all been (in his world view) pro RELIGIOUS Jewish. Many have actually infuriated the ”Jewish lobby ”
    Moving the embassy,
    Legitimizing the shomron settlements,
    Freeing rubashkin
    Why would he do any of those if it wasn’t for real????
    I’m asking you a favor.
    You are not shy to type tons of posts.
    Give me a direct answer.
    Not an obfuscation not a parallel politician who was similarly accused.
    Just a straight direct answer.
    My contention?
    He was around frum Jews his whole life. Dealt with them.made millions from them. Legitimately likes them. Doesn’t care what anyone will say when he helps them

    #1814344
    Reb Eliezer
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    Trump only cares about his own interest, caring less for the country.

    #1814347
    Reb Eliezer
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    klugeryid, you tell me, if he is for the Jews, why does he give the impression that he is with the white nationalists, who hate the Jews?

    #1814348
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Reb E – if you were really honest and interest in emes you would hate Clinton (and possibly Obama) for the same reason. If you can support Clinton, then you are really aren’t hating him for this.

    (I say Obama cuz he was an arrogant, socialist, jew hater/devoted muslim, not the narcissist the Clintons are)

    #1814355
    Reb Eliezer
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    We know Trump has a narcisistic personal disorder, but is he also schizophrenic?

    #1814356
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    he doesn’t have to be against anyone to be for anyone. He supports causes, and if the white nationalists are in agreement with that cause, so be it. It doesn’t mean he supports them, it never did. That’s called serving a country. If you support coal miners, you are going against the environmentalists. That doesn’t mean you are against them, it means you are supporting the cause of the coal miners. You can’t support ANYONE or ANYTHING without having someone on the other side. Wanting to keep out illegal aliens (as opposed to aliens) is something the kkk supports, although for different reasons. That doesn’t put him on that side of the fence. And pretending it does it hogwash. And if you want to pretend that he is NOT an ohaiv Yisroel (although I don’t agree with Josephs version of him) than explain the things he did for Jews. No real white supremisist could even hand a tissue to a jew with a runny nose let alone free one from jail.

    #1814367
    Reb Eliezer
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    Obama and Clinton have never shown openly that they support the white nationalist. We don’t have to supporr Israel blindly in everything they do as Trump makes us believe that it is anti-semitism to disagree with them.

    #1814363
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    if you knew anything about narcissism you would see that Clinton fulfills the DSM criteria much better than trump who is a baal gaivah par excellance (not a compliment, in case you assume it is)
    Sorry to disappoint.

    #1814376
    Reb Eliezer
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    Syag, We have never had so much violence against Jews. By not standing up strongly against them, you make it look that you approve of it and encourage it.

    #1814379
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    ok. now I KNOW you are dreaming. If you think that Obama refusing to speak out against terrorists, let alone FUNDING them, and shunning Netanyahu didn’t open that door than you are sorely mistaken. Add to that the reality of when the rising began….during the Obama presidency.

    #1814383
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    and tangentially the atmosphere of violence belongs to the democrats. Think of all the violence of the anti trumpers that first year. And ask anyone (myself included) if they feel threatened (physically or otherwise) to support trump in a workplace that is strongly liberal. It’s a real problem, hating people and threatening them and berating them for supporting trump is something I dealt with for a year and my brother lives with and friends have complained about. I have NEVER heard of such a thing in the reverse or in a different time. Dont’ pretend acting out aggressively toward people you hate is something trump brought to the arena.

    #1814387
    Reb Eliezer
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    I know about the violence in YWN. I said that Trump should be impeached for idiocy making himself look like he is guilty. Similarly, even though he surely is not an anti-semite, but he makes himself look like one.

    #1814388
    Reb Eliezer
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    Rechavom split up the Eretz Yisroel because he listened to young inexperienced advisers, similarly Trump fired or encouraged his top experienced advisers to resign. How can you make a good decision?

    #1814400
    Reb Eliezer
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    Syag, don’t you remember Trump encouraging people to punch each other and offers to pay their legal bills?

    #1814406
    klugeryid
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    so reb eliezer
    you are able to wax poetic but cant answer a straight question
    (as to your question, syag did a great job you dont need to be against x to be for y….., only way you could have not known that is willfull ignorance

    #1814407
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Similarly, even though he surely is not an anti-semite, but he makes himself look like one.

    Looks like one? He’s probably the most openly pro Jewish public figure we’ve ever seen.

    #1814409
    klugeryid
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    right
    so assume that wasnt hyperbole (given that the liberals say he has never paid his bills why is this one different)
    how does that make him anti semitic?

    #1814473
    Reb Eliezer
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    It makes him anti semitic by supporting anti semites.

    #1814503
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    you can’t call someone who supports jews an anti semite just because he supports their causes as well. It makes no sense. He doesn’t have to be a jew lover to the exclusion of all else, he has done things that support us and our causes, while also doing so for other groups. And why shouldn’t he?
    You ask a good question tho about why he doesn’t defend himself or care how he appears. I think it’s because he is a baal gaiva of sorts who “knows” he’s right and doesn’t care what other’s say.

    #1814506
    klugeryid
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    ahhh!
    so you are stupid because you support fools?

    #1814573
    Reb Eliezer
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    syag, If someone is a baal gaiva, he will do and justify everything to protect himself. לית דין ולית דיין as Louis XIV said I am the state.

    #1815757
    Joseph
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    This secular year 2020 is the year American Yidden will show our great hakaros hatov to the great Oheiv Yisroel President of the United States, Donald John Trump, by voting to reelect him for a second term as President, IY”H.

    And just as in 2016 when the highly concentrated Orthodox Jewish neighborhoods such as Borough Park, Williamsburg, Monsey and Lakewood voted for Donald Trump, making a very noticeable deep red voting area, similar to deep red Texas, surrounded by a sea of blue outside the Orthodox areas, so too we will do so in 2020 in even greater proportions.

    #1818050
    Milhouse
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    “Reb” Eliezer, you are an outright liar. Trump has NEVER encouraged antisemitism or antisemites. It is a blood libel that you knowingly repeat.

    He said that in the Charlottesville riot there were good people as well as thugs on both sides. That is a simple fact, and if you can’t acknowledge it then YOU are the one so filled with hate that you are projecting it on others. He never said one good word about the UNRELATED anti-semitic march the PREVIOUS NIGHT.

    #1818131
    Reb Eliezer
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    Milhouse, you have no respect. דרך ארץ קדמה לתורה. See what I wrote the other thread ‘thick or thin’ .
    לפני שיבה תקום והדרת פני זקן. Your love for Trump transformed you like him, not caring whom he hurts.

    #1825594
    Joseph
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    President Trump’s Israeli-Palestinian Peace Deal will offer Israel more than Israel ever dreamt of.

    #1826912
    Joseph
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    As expected, the Trump “Deal of the Century” gave Israel virtually everything it dreamt of.

    #1826967
    Joseph
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