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  • #599208
    kapusta
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    I was reading the IY”H by you thread and I wanted to (rant) reply to a certain comment (which hit close to home). Heres goes:

    Pardon my using this very overused line, but think before you speak. And before you ask. B”H, I’ve been put in some awkward situations. By awkward I mean being asked about such and such, and having to say that you got the wrong person because such and such aint happening. (Imagine looking for a job for a few years when someone asks you how your new job is working out and you need to explain that you never had one. Now change that to any topic you find a lot more sensitive.) Especially if I don’t know you very well, its very uncomfortable when I need to answer you. (If you have a legitimate question, maybe I don’t want to discuss it, but its a legitimate question. Not some random person I haven’t seen in 10 years trying to make conversation.) For you and for me. You’ll save both of us a lot of feeling bad.

    (I know no one is perfect, including me, but having been on the receiving end of the questions sometimes I just get the idea that people don’t think.)

    (Please don’t speculate. TIA)

    *completely shocked that I just did that*

    *kapusta*

    #807452
    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    kapusta

    I delayed answering because I wanted to make sure that I respond with sensitivity to you and your trying situation.

    Please be mochel me if this does not come across.

    “its very uncomfortable when I need to answer you.”

    No, you don’t need to answer. It’s nobody’s business but your own.

    But you DO need to come up with ready responses in advance.

    I have a relative in her fifties who has a sense of humor up to a point. After being sensitive about this issue for so long, she decided that she’s going to make sure that she won’t be on the receiving end of ridiculous comments and turns the table on them by developing this basic repertoire:

    Q: What does your husband do?

    A: (looks them straight in the eye) I don’t have one. (the other starts squirming and apologizing)

    Q: Where does your husband daven?

    A:(looks them straight in the eye)I don’t have one. (the other starts squirming and apologizing)

    Sometimes she’ll add a “yet” at the end if she doesn’t totally want them to feel bad.

    Q: When are you due? (her stomach protrudes)

    A1: Don’t worry, I’ll make sure you’re one of the first to know.

    A2: After you.

    A3: I’ve been carrying this for over a year now.

    I could tell you more, but you would plotz at some things people ask.

    Keep in mind that many people SINCERELY wish you well, as I’m sure all of us here in the CR do.

    #807453
    kapusta
    Participant

    I don’t think anyone is trying to be hurtful in any way. Some of it may even come from a good place, but sometimes its a yenta/trying to make conversation thing. Like in the example you gave (first question) if someone isn’t married, answering that they aren’t married is a fact. I can understand why it would make someone think about their situation more, and (admittedly) sometimes I take that route too, but by simply not asking, they avoid a (potentially) very embarrassing situation.

    *kapusta*

    #807454
    happiest
    Member

    Kapusta, I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying but I really want to understand because it might very well be that it’s something that I do to others and if it bothers you then chances are that it bothers them too.

    If you don’t want to explain though, u don’t have to. Don’t worry!

    For now, good luck!!

    #807455
    kapusta
    Participant

    happiest: I don’t want to get very specific, but in one of the examples given above (thanks, AYC), someone is asked if they’re pregnant. Questions like that (maybe yenta style) when they need to be answered are awkward to answer. Imagine someone who doesn’t have children being asked that, not only is it awkward, but can also cause pain. (I would hope no one would actually do that, but things of that nature.) B”H I’ve been put in a position where I’ve been asked this type of question a number of times, and by not asking, you’re saving everyone stress.

    Hope I made myself more clear.

    thanks! 🙂

    *kapusta*

    #807456
    happiest
    Member

    Thanks kapusta for explaining. That must be so painful. Thank you for posting this because now I will be super careful with what I say and what I ask people…

    #807457
    kapusta
    Participant

    Thank you, happiest. It makes me think about my life which isn’t always a good thing, but more than painful its very uncomfortable. I obviously didn’t choose to have things work out like that, and if I had the option, I would love to answer differently.

    Its so nice to know that someone cares enough to do something about it. 🙂

    *kapusta*

    #807458
    kapusta
    Participant

    Thank you for posting this because now I will be super careful with what I say and what I ask people…

    happiest, you should put that line on a shidduch resume. IMO it says more about your middos than any reference can.

    *kapusta*

    #807459
    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    kapusta

    I’m wondering if you gave some thought to the idea about coming up with some ready “non-answers” for prying questions.

    #807460
    MiddlePath
    Participant

    kapusta, I completely agree with everything you’ve said here.

    happiest, I agree with kapusta that what you said really shows your sterling middos. But really, you’d be the last person I can think of that would say something that would upset others.

    ayc, very informative examples you’ve brought here. I’m actually laughing right now thinking how awkward I can make someone feel in the following situation: Person asks me “So, what does your father do?” Me: “Oh, he’s a child molester.” It’s actually not funny, but I really am laughing about it!

    #807461
    aries2756
    Participant

    Kapusta, I lared many, many moons ago to be careful asking questions. It must have been 20 years ago, I asked someone who I knew was expecting that I had bumped into months later. I asked how she was and excitedly asked what she had. I was so shocked and embarrassed when she told me “A miscarriage”. Obviously I did NOT ask her to be nosy or to pry. I asked from excitement and happiness for her and felt like I put my foot in my mouth or even worse like I got shot in the heart.

    #807462
    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    I’m glad it helped, MP.

    I’m wondering if the following is acceptable to you when encountering any uncomfortable question:

    -“I appreciate your interest, but I prefer not discussing it now”

    -answer humorously. E.g., “I’ll tell you what my father DOESN’T do…dishes and windows!”

    -change the subject

    -turn the conversation back to the “yente” and ask questions about them. Many times people like this love to talk about themselves.

    Hope this helps.

    #807463
    kapusta
    Participant

    AYC:

    The non-answer in my case wouldn’t really work. (For example) how should an only child answer a question about siblings?

    The post above has some very good suggestions, thanks.

    MP:

    Glad to hear I’m not the only one. A question like the example you gave can also add stress to someone recently unemployed etc.

    aries:

    Great point. I don’t believe most people do it to pry, and sometimes (often?) even from a genuine interest. Its really a mindless thing that could so easily be avoided if someone knows not to.

    *kapusta*

    #807464
    MiddlePath
    Participant

    ayc, thanks for those suggestions! I’ll try to remember them. It actually once happened that someone asked me what my father does and I said something like “Um, I don’t really know…”. Needless to say, he was pretty shocked that I said that, and changed the subject.

    #807465
    aries2756
    Participant

    MP, try this. “What does your father do”, “this best he can”.

    #807466
    a mamin
    Participant

    What about when someone asks someone how many children they have, when they don’t have any? It can be a totally innocent question and yet so insensitive! The point is before we open our mouth we need to think, is this appropiate under all circumstances?

    #807467
    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    kapusta

    “how should an only child answer a question about siblings?”

    Q: What do your siblings do?

    A1:I wasn’t aware I had any, are you?(while maintaining eye contact)

    A2:I wasn’t blessed with any (while maintaining eye contact)

    A3: You are assuming that I have some.

    A4: I had a sib who passed (if true, they’ll stop pronto)

    A5: What do yours do?

    A6: Am I my brother’s keeper? (humorously, then change the subject)

    It’s important to feel “armed” with responses and empowered, IMHO.

    Would any of these work?

    #807468
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    how should an only child answer a question about siblings?

    Like blazes that I’d share my ????? with anyone!

    #807469
    MiddlePath
    Participant

    Thanks, aries. Good suggestion.

    #807470
    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    MP

    You’re welcome. I’m glad it helped.

    Just realize that EVERYONE in life is confronted with questions they prefer not answering, albeit different in nature.(How much do you earn, what did your mother look like when she died, etc.)

    You’re not alone.

    #807471
    aries2756
    Participant

    Kapusta, Look over your shoulder and say “What siblings???????”

    #807472
    kapusta
    Participant

    Thanks for the ideas, everyone.

    FTR, I have siblings B”H

    *kapusta*

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